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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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 Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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What a really crappy counter argument ?
I mean could edison really have come out to the world and said that he'd invented the world's first light bulb - simply because someone he'd never met had told him that it worked ??
Saying that he did it all for 'national pride' just highlights the fact that this guy is a vain-glorious fraud. He has done untold damage to the Korean national pride and now he wishes to hide behind misplaced nationalism to cover his tracks.
If there is any east-west dichotomy going on here it's that the Koreans play 'follow the leader' no matter what the stakes are. This guy wouldn't be given a job cleaning toilets in a lab in the west, but give it another few months and he's going to be head of the Korean national research foundation.
Call a spade a spade here ! |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone catch this on BBC?
When a news outlet that's unwilling to run phrases like "quasi-fascist" to describe the Iranian regime runs such a phrase to describe the Hwang Woo Suk scandal, that's saying something.
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The BBC did not say "quasi-fascist", that was in a quote
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"Government policies to support and finance Hwang's work merged with nationalism and patriotism to create a quasi-fascist environment that suppressed criticism," said political scientist Choi Jang-jip.
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What the BBC said was that a candle light vigil felt like a "quasi-religious" meeting. |
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manlyboy
Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
| manlyboy wrote: |
Anyone catch this on BBC?
When a news outlet that's unwilling to run phrases like "quasi-fascist" to describe the Iranian regime runs such a phrase to describe the Hwang Woo Suk scandal, that's saying something.
Ouch! |
The BBC did not say "quasi-fascist", that was in a quote
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"Government policies to support and finance Hwang's work merged with nationalism and patriotism to create a quasi-fascist environment that suppressed criticism," said political scientist Choi Jang-jip.
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What the BBC said was that a candle light vigil felt like a "quasi-religious" meeting. |
You need to read my post more closely, sir. I said the BBC "ran" the phrase. I did not say the BBC "said" it. The point is that the BBC seems reluctant to "run" such phrases, even in the form of quotation, in other instances where they may seem warranted.
I chose the word "run" carefully because I knew people like yourself would pounce if I didn't. You were mistaken, no? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Wangja wrote:
manlyboy wrote:
Anyone catch this on BBC?
When a news outlet that's unwilling to run phrases like "quasi-fascist" to describe the Iranian regime runs such a phrase to describe the Hwang Woo Suk scandal, that's saying something.
Ouch!
The BBC did not say "quasi-fascist", that was in a quote
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"Government policies to support and finance Hwang's work merged with nationalism and patriotism to create a quasi-fascist environment that suppressed criticism," said political scientist Choi Jang-jip.
What the BBC said was that a candle light vigil felt like a "quasi-religious" meeting.
You need to read my post more closely, sir. I said the BBC "ran" the phrase. I did not say the BBC "said" it. The point is that the BBC seems reluctant to "run" such phrases, even in the form of quotation, in other instances where they may seem warranted.
I chose the word "run" carefully because I knew people like yourself would pounce if I didn't. You were mistaken, no?
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One difference between Iran and Hwang:
"Fascist" is a political word. So, if the BBC were to call Iran fascist, it would be seen as a literal description of the country's regime, which would likely be considered irresponsible journalism. But Hwang and his followers are a loosely-organized social group, not a country. So calling them fascist is likely to be understood as a rough analogy, not as a literal description. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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South Korea Scientist Admits to Faking Data
By Jack Kim
SEOUL (Reuters) - Disgraced stem-cell scientist Hwang Woo-suk on Tuesday admitted to fabricating some data that went into a landmark paper but said he was duped by junior researchers into believing the bulk of his team's findings was valid.
Hwang, once celebrated as a national hero, was indicted in May after prosecutors said he was the mastermind of an elaborate scheme to make it look like his team had actually produced stem cell lines through cloning human embryos.
"I admit to the suspicion of fabrication," he said in court as prosecutors questioned whether he personally altered parts of data for a 2005 paper to make it appear as if the team had made more stem cell lines then they had actually produced.
"It was clearly my wrongdoing, I admit it."
Hwang said he also accepted responsibility for a discredited study on developing patient-specific embryonic stem cells that was published in the U.S. periodical Science. |
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