Korean Job Discussion Forums :: View topic

Speak Korean Now!

Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!

Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"

FAQ

Memberlist

Usergroups

Profile

Anti-American Canadians?
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 Next

Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion Forum

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author

Message

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject:

pegpig wrote:

Big Mac wrote:

In Canada, I use a two-page resume. In Korea, I was told to keep it to one page.

That's strange. When I was applying for jobs the last time in Canada they told me to keep it short and sweet. (Mind you that was about 7 years ago.) And, when I was applying for jobs in Korea they wanted more. Quantity, not quality.

While cultures vary, basic human feelings don't. If you have 100 resumes on your desk and you have to narrow it down to five by tomorrow and you pick up one that is 3 or more pages long with tons of useless information so that they have to sift through it to get what they want, guess what? Garbage pile (or at best, the pile that they may come back to if there are not enough for the good pile)
(How's that for a run-on sentence Wink

)

Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:20 pm Post subject:

First, it was you were in the military. Next, it was that you probably had a crappy degree from a crappy school. Then, it was that your military service was not helpful in teaching others. Now, it's "Your resume is too long." Basically, Mills... It's not them. It's you.

pegpig

Joined: 10 May 2005

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject:

laogaiguk wrote:

)

That's exactly how employers feel in civilization and that's what i was told way back when. Keep it simple. Then along comes Korea. They'll keep those long ones and put the one-page ones on the garbage pile. You're right - different culture.

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject:

pegpig wrote:

laogaiguk wrote:

)

I am not asking this to be argumentative, I really want to know if this is true or not (for sure) for future reference. How do you know this?

Big Mac

Joined: 17 Sep 2005

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject:

pegpig wrote:

laogaiguk wrote:

)

Everyone at my school got a job with a one-page resume that was short and to the point.

I don't think I've heard anyone advise someone to write the longest resume possible. It just doesn't jive with human behaviour. Your resume is an ad. Ads are short, not long.

pegpig

Joined: 10 May 2005

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject:

Duh - because I said so. It was true oh so long ago in Canada. That was what people in those job search seminars were saying. It was true in Korea. I gave my resume to a recruiter and he called to tell me that I should make it longer. It was only one page long. For gawd's sake. I'm white. What do you need a 2nd page for? Mind you. The last time I had to do the job search thing in Korea was about 3 years ago. Things can change so rapidly, especially in........................ (Are you ready for it?) ............dynamic Korea.

Mills

Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:57 am Post subject:

Pligganease wrote:

First, it was you were in the military. Next, it was that you probably had a crappy degree from a crappy school. Then, it was that your military service was not helpful in teaching others. Now, it's "Your resume is too long."

Basically, Mills...

It's not them. It's you.

You forgot to mention that I'm a bigot too, remember, someone thinks I hate Canadians and lesbians.

Mills

Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:05 am Post subject:

pegpig wrote:

Duh - because I said so.

It was true oh so long ago in Canada. That was what people in those job search seminars were saying.

It was true in Korea. I gave my resume to a recruiter and he called to tell me that I should make it longer. It was only one page long.

That was some of the first advice I got, and it worked. I leave February 11th.

Mills

Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:21 am Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Your CV provides very little to indicate that you would make a good English teacher. From the way it's presented it looks as though you didn't even finish officer training.

How very perceptive of you... I graduated from OCS, but was not Commisioned because of a serious heat stroke incident I suffered during training. I never went to the Basic School. In the USMC you have to go to OCS, then you are Commisioned, then you have to go to the Basic School as a 2nd Lt. before you "finish officer training".
No, teaching wasn't my first choice (otherwise I'd have an Ed degree).

Thank you, everyone, for the advice. I have secured employment, in Korea, using my much too long, unrelated job experience soaked resume.

Big Mac

Joined: 17 Sep 2005

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject:

Mills wrote:

Thank you, everyone, for the advice. I have secured employment, in Korea, using my much too long, unrelated job experience soaked resume.

Good for you. Congratulations. It's interesting that TWO people now say they were told to write long resumes.

I know Koreans are really big on titles and certificates and that sort of thing. But really, long resumes are certainly against conventional advice.

caniff

Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject:

Can we summarize why we are blasting this guy? - - - - - - -

Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject:

Mills wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Your CV provides very little to indicate that you would make a good English teacher. From the way it's presented it looks as though you didn't even finish officer training.

So where are you working - Wonderland?

Mills

Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

So where are you working - Wonderland?

No. I tried to steer clear of the http://www.geocities.com/hagwonblacklist/list.html Blacklist schools.

Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject:

Quote:

Quote:
Rule #14 applies to you.
http://www.thedipstop.com/*beep*.html

I thought you had a distance degree.

No, I don't. You are the 1st person who mentions distance degrees.

No, I'm not. It's bellum99, on page 5:

Perhaps it was your distance education (degree) that you acquired in the military. Be honest about it. Sometimes the degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on. Maybe you are an a$$ and the interviewer didn't want to bother hiring you. I know that I don't want to hire you.

Someone else said you did and you didn't contradict them.

Who? Maybe someone sneaks it in between some Canadian Wrestler pics.

See above.

Maybe if you'd talked about your education more and your ability to lead people into battle less I would have thought differently.

My resume is posted at http://mills.5u.com I mentioned "leading Americans into battle" as a joke... I've already mentioned how sarcasm doesn't translate well into text.

You didn't mention your online resume in the OP. All you talked about was your military service.

Discussing your educational background now, very good. You didn't even do this in the OP, you just started listing your military service. Only took you 8 pages of responses before you could stop talking about being a soldier. You remember what teachers look like, right? Eccentric older people in cardigans? Think they want to talk about life in the barracks?

I mention my military service in a "Preface" so you would have some background on me and the interview, I don't mention it afterwards. Maybe you combined what I said with what some other people posted.

My point is that military service might get you some sort of credit in the US. In an international market, it doesn't mean much. Next time, begin with your educational background not your career as a soldier.

Then you start a thread about how much you hate Canadians which gets 8 pages of responses

This thread had nothing to do with how much I hate anyone. I hate being stereotyped.

Prove that you were stereotyped. Did she say anything against the US mililtary? Against you, personally? Do you go into all negotiations with non-Americans with an equally big chip on your shoulder? Prove that you didn't make a bad impression by only talking about your military service. You're signing up to play paddycake with a bunch of little kids. Maybe the thought of a former soldier didn't appeal to them when they were considering applications. You certainly don't seem to have left it all behind you, in any case.

,call the woman who interviewed you a lesbian,

Your words not mine, I never called anyone a lesbian. You are making big leaps.

You said "maybe she just hates men." The opposite of that would be "maybe she just loves women." That means she's a lesbian.

use a link to dodge the swear filter and call me names.

Did you read the rules? #14 applies to you by your own admission.

I see you learned your debating skills in the Marine Corps.

Let's go back to the OP:

Quote:

Preface: I am a former enlisted United States Marine who also attended the Marine Corps Officer Candidates School; my resume is thick with military courses and awards.

Great. You're a soldier. Did you even go to high school? What does this tell me about your potential as a teacher? Zilch.

Recently I had a phone interview with a Canadian ��English Spokesman�� for a school that I was very interested in.

Allright, she has a ridiculous title. You're signing up to work there. Who's the fool?

Said Canadian was very short with me and our "interview" lasted only a minute or two.

You wanted a meaningful conversation? Come to Korea and do an interview face-to-face.

She focused her questioning on my military experience; not why I was interested in teaching and traveling to Korea.

Your OP begins with a summary of your military experience. Your online resume contains 3 pages of information on military training and awards. Why wouldn't she focus on something that takes up the bulk of your resume? Tailor your resume to suit different jobs. I don't talk about the job I had in a restaurant when I was 14 if I want a job editing textbooks.

My impression: I believe the aforementioned Canadian skimmed my resume, combined my American nationality with my military experience, and classified me as the stereotypical warmongering, sovereign-nation-invading, Wal-Mart stockholding, tobacco lobbying, gun-wielding American.

My conclusion: you're paranoid.

The truth: I served in the military because I felt compelled to ��pay for�� all the freedoms and opportunities that have come with American citizenship. I chose the Marine Corps because I wanted to challenge myself. I am nothing like the American stereotype.

Actually, you're paraphrasing Marine Corps. recruitment ads. You are, in effect, parroting the words of your government.

Summary: Canadians, it is not cool to label people. Especially when you��re a group of pasty, beer drinking, hockey playing, pancakes smothered in maple syrup eating second-class citizens living in America��s northernmost state.

Ha. Wow. Zinger. Good one. Real intelligent.

Last edited by Pyongshin Sangja on Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:03 pm; edited 3 times in total

Pak Yu Man

Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject:

[quote="MillsYou forgot to mention that I'm a bigot too, remember, someone thinks I hate Canadians and lesbians.[/quote] Now the real question. How do you feel about Canadian lesbians?

Display posts from previous:

	Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion Forum	All times are GMT - 8 Hours Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 Next
Page 9 of 10

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe