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narrow'd down: Gyeongju, Suncheon, Chuncheon

 
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liehtzu



Joined: 24 Mar 2003
Location: the sticks, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: narrow'd down: Gyeongju, Suncheon, Chuncheon Reply with quote

Hi folks. As many of you know, it's a risky venture to try to find a job in Korea when one is in another country and can't see the school, meet the higher-ups etc. I've been looking around for jobs and resigned myself to probably only getting a hagwon job, but I've insisted on trying to find a good location. Someplace small and nice but not too far from Busan or Seoul for the occasional spree.

So far I've settled on three possible offers in three cities that sound nice (I've been to Gyeongju so I know it's nice, the others I've just heard/read). Pay/benefits are pretty much standard at each of them. Despite three years of experience looks like I'm getting 2.0 mil again. Fine, I don't mind. One hopes for more, but...

I've talked to a foreign teacher from each of these academies and administrators for two of them, and they all seemed stand-up folks. The schools each sound nice but each has its quirks:

Wonderland Chuncheon: teaching seven 40-minute classes a day four times a week. Yes, the class times are shorter than average, but 7 classes a day?

LCI Kid's Club in Suncheon: four foreign teachers, no Korean teachers. First time I've heard that. Reckon that's a good or bad thing?

Herald English Institute in Gyeongju: I'd be the one foreign teacher there.

Any info about these cities (or better yet, schools) would certainly be appreciated.

Cheers
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the three cities you have mentioned are rather small. have you considered spending a year without abundant western conveniences such as good bookstores, western food, movies...etc??
those cities will offer very limited choices. do you want to immerse yourself more into korean culture?

Chuncheon:
- beautiful, city and surrounding area nestled in the mountains....the locals actually drink their tap water
- lots of clean rivers and fresh air...good skiing nearby.
- big university town (lots of young people).
- relatively small small foreigner population

Gyeongju:
- historic capital of Korea...tons of sightseeing and parks.
- again, not a lot of western things, and few foreigners compared to larger cities
- i'd be apprehensive about being the only foreign teacher there. small schools don't offer as much security. or, the foreign teacher you are replacing may be having a rough time and wants you to take his place. i'd only work at a small school if i had the chance to see it in person beforehand.
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know both Gyeongju and Suncheon are about one and a half hours away from Busan by bus. Suncheon is actually a little farther away. I don't know how far way Chunceon is though. Both are nice cities, Gyeongju more so than Suncheon but like the previous poster said quite small foreigner communities and not a lot in the way of foreign conveniences.

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animalbirdfish



Joined: 04 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: narrow'd down: Gyeongju, Suncheon, Chuncheon Reply with quote

liehtzu wrote:



Wonderland Chuncheon


Chuncheon's a nice place but you have, I assume, done a quick search for 'Wonderland' on this site?
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margaret



Joined: 14 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know nothing of these schools but I'd rather teach 7 40 minute classes than 6 50 minute ones. 7 times 40 is 280 and 6 times 50 is 300. I've noticed that the last 10 minutes of a class are often the hardest to keep them interested.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no educational institution in Korea that has a worse reputation than Wonderland - they have smashed some very fierce competition to earn this honour.

Just a few accounts:

http://www.geocities.com/prisonerofwonderland/

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/naww/

I haven't heard anything good about Kids Club, either. Be very wary of these chain hogwans.
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liehtzu



Joined: 24 Mar 2003
Location: the sticks, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies, folks.

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There is no educational institution in Korea that has a worse reputation than Wonderland


Yeah, I've done the quick search on Wonderland and I've heard the horror... But there is the occasional story of someone working at some branch in some obscure locale without a problem. I haven't heard anything bad about Wonderland Chuncheon. Has anyone? The one response I got about this branch was a guy saying he'd heard from another teacher working there that the workload was a bit tough.

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- i'd be apprehensive about being the only foreign teacher there. small schools don't offer as much security. or, the foreign teacher you are replacing may be having a rough time and wants you to take his place. i'd only work at a small school if i had the chance to see it in person beforehand.


I also thought about the prospect of replacing the one foreign teacher in Gyeongju who's desperate to leave the school and will say anything to get me there. But talked to the guy over the phone, seems like a stand-up fellow, and my gut feeling is that he's not trying to take me for a spin. Being the one foreign teacher at a school can go one of two ways: they treat you like royalty because you're hard to replace or they walk all over you because you have no backup support. This guy insists it's the former, but yeah, you never know, and it's a risky venture to take the plunge without having seen the place. Still, as they say, and oh how cliched: No risks, no rewards.

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the three cities you have mentioned are rather small. have you considered spending a year without abundant western conveniences such as good bookstores, western food, movies...etc??


As for the small town thing and lack of Western conveniences, that is absolutely not a problem. It's what I'm looking for, in fact. As long as I can be near Seoul or Busan and get my occasional fix of books, food variety, etc I'm cool. Hell, I've spent the last two years in small-town north Thailand and central Vietnam (where I am now). Vietnam is lack of Western conveniences par excellence. I'm looking for something quiet where I can keep my head down and save some money, and I don't mind eating out at Korean joints. I was in a small city last time I was in Korea and though it did sometimes get dull, I had some foxy Korean female coworkers who were often game for some BBQ and a nutty soju bender, and Seoul was never too far away. Give me a cold beer, a small cluster of good company, access to a big city, and I'm content.

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I know nothing of these schools but I'd rather teach 7 40 minute classes than 6 50 minute ones.


I don't know which is better, seven 40-minute classes or six 50-minute classes. You're right, you do the math and the former is shorter. I know what you're saying about about those last minutes being hardest to keep their attention - and that's why I save the workbook for the end. Let em color. Besides, I do hour and a half kiddie classes (!) here in the 'Nam with a ten minute break in the middle. Now that can get really tough and they can get really squirrelly. So comparatively, even 50 mins would be a breeze!

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Gyeongju:
- historic capital of Korea...tons of sightseeing and parks.


Of the three cities I mentioned, Gyeongju's the only one I've been to, and I had a great time.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gyeongju is on the east coast:the old capital of Korea...I nicer city

Chuncheon is a city right in the north, it will be very very cold in winter and snows a lot but if you like that sort of thing...very natural

Suncheon is right in the south, you won't get any snow but a little bit warmer in winter..

All the cities are about the same size, pops of about 300 000...
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Hyeon Een



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:

Suncheon is right in the south, you won't get any snow but a little bit warmer in winter..


Everyone here got a snowday about 3 weeks ago =) That much snow was unusual though.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyeon Een wrote:
just because wrote:

Suncheon is right in the south, you won't get any snow but a little bit warmer in winter..


Everyone here got a snowday about 3 weeks ago =) That much snow was unusual though.


That was true...oh well you won't get as much snow as in Chuncheon...
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