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Bulsajo
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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There can be no coexistence with AQ's top leadership and masterminds. Their situation is worse than the Nazis or the Japanese. Because the U.S. will not even accept "unconditional surrender" from AQ.
They can surrender and be killed or be caught and be killed. Those are their options.
And I, for one, have no issue with this. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Obvious statement: As usual, bin Laden's message isn't actually aimed at the US, it's meant for the Islamic world. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
There can be no coexistence with AQ's top leadership and masterminds. Their situation is worse than the Nazis or the Japanese. Because the U.S. will not even accept "unconditional surrender" from AQ.
They can surrender and be killed or be caught and be killed. Those are their options.
And I, for one, have no issue with this. |
Four-and-a-half years on they seem to be at liberty to plan an awful lot of stuff. Good thing everyone's so much safer with Saddam removed as a threat.
While we're at it, let's look at yesterday's headlines from the 'War on Terror'. What a remarkably safe, brave new world Bush and those still stupid enough to follow him are carving out for humanity wherever they go!
01/19/06 Political Gateway: US Army raises enlistment age to 40
The US Army said Wednesday it has raised its maximum enlistment age from 35 to 40 years old and is doubling maximum signing up bonuses to 40,000 dollars.
01/19/06 KUNA: Iraqi police station in Zubair attacked by rockets -- spokesman
The Iraqi police station in Zubair in southern Basra came under attacks by rockets Thursday. There were no human casualties. The spokesman told reporters three Katyusha rockets were fired at the Zubair station by unknown gunmen.
01/19/06 IOL: Italy to pull troops out of Iraq
Italy will withdraw 1 000 of its 2 600 troops in Iraq by June and aims to finish its mission there by the end of this year, Defence Minister Antonio Martino said on Thursday.
01/19/06 WPost: Army to Slow Growth and Cut 6 National Guard Combat Brigades
scaling back the guard's combat brigades to 28 from 34, the active-duty Army will add one fewer combat brigade than it had planned, ending up with 42 instead of 43, Army Secretary Francis J. Harvey told a Pentagon news briefing yesterday.
01/19/06 AP: Bombings On Same Baghdad Street Kill 23 (update)
A suicide attacker detonated an explosive vest in a crowded downtown coffee shop Thursday and another bomb exploded seconds later under a nearby car, killing at least 23 people and wounding 26, police and hospital officials said.
01/19/06 Reuters: Iraqi police fear 34 recruits killed after ambush
Colonel Emad Mohammed said 35 recruits were being driven to Samarra on Tuesday when they were stopped by gunmen near Tarmiya; one wounded man told police he was the sole survivor of a group of 15 thrown into a well and sprayed with bullets.
01/19/06 Xinhuanet: Huge explosion rocks central Baghdad
A huge explosion caused by a makeshift bomb struck a convoy of U.S. Sport Utility Vehicles (SUV)in central Baghdad Thursday morning, an Interior Ministry source told Xinhua.
01/19/06 Reuters: Iraq denies women prisoner release linked to hostage
THE Iraqi Justice Ministry has said US forces will release six Iraqi women prisoners but that the move is not related to the demands of a militant group that kidnapped an American journalist.
01/19/06 AP: At Least 16 Iraqis Killed in Twin Blasts
A man with an explosives belt walked into a crowded coffee shop and detonated his bomb, killing 12 people and wounding 20. seconds later, a bomb planted underneath a parked car outside killing at least four people and wounding five
01/19/06 RTE: Eight die in double Baghdad attack: reports
Police said a car bomb hit a police patrol and, simultaneously, a suicide bomber walked into a coffee shop next to the patrol and blew himself up. Three policemen and five civilians were killed and 15 wounded, police said.
01/19/06 Reuters: Security clampdown in Baghdad on eve of poll results
Iraqi security forces launched a major clampdown in Baghdad on Thursday to guard against insurgent attacks as authorities prepared to publish the final results of the Dec. 15 parliamentary poll on Friday.
01/19/06 DPA: Two gunmen killed, 22 detained in Iraq
Two gunmen were killed and 22 others arrested on charges of involvement in killings, armed attacks and robbery in al-Diwaniya
01/19/06 Evening Echo: British soldier wounded in Basra bombing
A British soldier was wounded in a roadside bombing today in the southern Iraqi city of Basra. The blasts come a day after two US citizens employed by the Texas-based security company DynCorp were killed in a roadside bombing in Basra
01/19/06 ABSCBN:Jazeera airs new images of US journalist in Iraq
Arabic television Al Jazeera aired on Thursday new images of kidnapped US journalist Jill Carroll surrounded by armed gunmen that were part of a video tape the channel had broadcast earlier this week.
01/19/06 AP: Militants threaten to kill American reporter tomorrow if demands
White House spokesman Scott McClellan says the safe return of kidnapped American journalist Jill Carroll is a priority for the Bush administration. But McClellan isn't saying more because of what he says is the "sensitivity of the situation."
01/19/06 AP: U.S. forces close road, forcing Iraqi drivers onto a killing field
The horror began after American and Iraqi forces cordoned off part of a highway north of Baghdad following the deadly crash of a U.S. helicopter. With traffic directed onto narrow dirt roads, insurgents turned the area into a killing field.
01/19/06 Xinhuanet: US-Iraqi troops search for 50 kidnapped police recruits
U.S. and Iraqi troops began searching for 50 police recruits kidnapped north of Baghdad earlier this week, a source from the Iraqi-US liaison office in Tikrit told Xinhua on Thursday. Fifty police recruits were kidnapped by unknown gunmen on Monday
01/19/06 VOA: Iraqi Officials Ask US to Release 6 Female Prisoners
Iraqi officials say they have asked U.S. forces to release six of eight Iraqi female prisoners, but they say the move is not related to the demand of a militant group that kidnapped an American journalist.
01/19/06 Reuters: Iraq says Iran to release nine detained coastguards
Iran on Thursday will hand over nine Iraqi coastguards who Baghdad says were "kidnapped" by Iranian forces in their tidal water frontier last weekend, the regional governor of Iraq's Basra province said.
01/19/06 AP: Officer said interrogation rules not followed
An Army officer charged with killing an Iraqi general during questioning said interrogation rules were being flouted "every day" in Iraq, a witness testified late Wednesday at the officer's court-martial. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
There can be no coexistence with AQ's top leadership and masterminds. Their situation is worse than the Nazis or the Japanese. Because the U.S. will not even accept "unconditional surrender" from AQ.
They can surrender and be killed or be caught and be killed. Those are their options.
And I, for one, have no issue with this. |
Personally, offering surrender with the right to a trial and no chance of execution (and not make anyone a martyr) for all the AQ would save a whole lot of lives, while on the other hand, have no surrender option (like Gopher gave), America can keep it's pride and it's losses. I would go for option 1. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Another good way to get attention for your dull postings bulsajo: find the latest most exciting news headline and be the first to post it up in capital letters- even if you have to stay up all night waiting for interesting news to break..way to go!  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
There can be no coexistence with AQ's top leadership and masterminds. Their situation is worse than the Nazis or the Japanese. Because the U.S. will not even accept "unconditional surrender" from AQ.
They can surrender and be killed or be caught and be killed. Those are their options.
And I, for one, have no issue with this. |
Four-and-a-half years on they seem to be at liberty to plan an awful lot of stuff. Good thing everyone's so much safer with Saddam removed as a threat.
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They can "plan" all they want. Doesn't seem like they are getting anywhere now does it. Let them plot and plan.
As for OBL, he is playing right into the Bush adminstration's hands with his threats. Bush can now say "See, I was right on the war in terror". Watch his poll numbers start climbing. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
There can be no coexistence with AQ's top leadership and masterminds. Their situation is worse than the Nazis or the Japanese. Because the U.S. will not even accept "unconditional surrender" from AQ.
They can surrender and be killed or be caught and be killed. Those are their options.
And I, for one, have no issue with this. |
Four-and-a-half years on they seem to be at liberty to plan an awful lot of stuff. Good thing everyone's so much safer with Saddam removed as a threat.
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They can "plan" all they want. Doesn't seem like they are getting anywhere now does it. Let them plot and plan.
As for OBL, he is playing right into the Bush adminstration's hands with his threats. Bush can now say "See, I was right on the war in terror". Watch his poll numbers start climbing. |
They recently nailed London and made quite a splash in Madrid, if I remember correctly. I don't know how involved they are in Iraq but 2+ dead Americans a day by Arab militants is a lot more than pre-9/11. Bin Laden's still alive and well and after 4+ years the US has no bloody clue where he is or what he's doing. With success like this even the average American can't be stupid enough not to question his faith in Bush. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| Another good way to get attention for your dull postings bulsajo: find the latest most exciting news headline and be the first to post it up in capital letters- even if you have to stay up all night waiting for interesting news to break..way to go! |
FYI, the man lives in Canada. He got the news during the daytime here in North America. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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I suspect what Al Qaeda wants is time and respite to build up conventional forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Terrorism, despite what the Bush administration might say, is not waged simply because terrorists want to scare us or make us hate freedom. It is waged to impress those of a like mind and eventually garner a legitimate structure and organization. A wonderful example of a successful terrorist transition is Hezbollah, which now has popular support in Lebanon and Syria and because of that cannot be rooted out of the region.
Al Qaeda wants something similar. They want real bases in Afghanistan and Iraq, particularly the latter.
We've been hearing reports from Iraq that the Americans have entered into negotiations with Sunni resistance groups. The recalcitrance of Americans to sit down to the table and discuss things with the resistance has faded, and I am guessing that in this case there has been a great deal of headway made. One presumes (and much of this post is simply informed presumption) that the Sunni resistance is coming to the table from exhaustion and a desire to establish more traditional bases of power. Although at first resistance to the Americans was the most lucrative and satisfying response, especially given the complete absence of an economy in Iraq and the unlikelihood of a disbanded military not availing themselves of hundreds of weapons caches in a disordered country, it is probably becoming less and less desirable to watch family members get killed not just by American soldiers, but also hunted down by Shi'a militia squadrons and murdered. One might guess that many Sunni resistance groups have delivered on certain American demands, and the two groups are finally reaching some accord, the ultimate goal of which would almost undoubtedly be for the Americans to destroy Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Al Qaeda is trying to maneuver. It is not unlikely that in Bin Laden's zeal to invest in Zarqawi, and the former's inability to do much else under constant American pressure, Al Qaeda's headquarters has been making less and less decisions and Zarqawi more and more. Who knows what alliances or deals Zarqawi has made with certain members of the Sunni resistance, but it is not imcredible to suggest that right now, Zarqawi might be suspicious of some of the company he has been keeping. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
There can be no coexistence with AQ's top leadership and masterminds. Their situation is worse than the Nazis or the Japanese. Because the U.S. will not even accept "unconditional surrender" from AQ.
They can surrender and be killed or be caught and be killed. Those are their options.
And I, for one, have no issue with this. |
Four-and-a-half years on they seem to be at liberty to plan an awful lot of stuff. Good thing everyone's so much safer with Saddam removed as a threat.
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They can "plan" all they want. Doesn't seem like they are getting anywhere now does it. Let them plot and plan.
As for OBL, he is playing right into the Bush adminstration's hands with his threats. Bush can now say "See, I was right on the war in terror". Watch his poll numbers start climbing. |
They recently nailed London and made quite a splash in Madrid, if I remember correctly. I don't know how involved they are in Iraq but 2+ dead Americans a day by Arab militants is a lot more than pre-9/11. Bin Laden's still alive and well and after 4+ years the US has no bloody clue where he is or what he's doing. With success like this even the average American can't be stupid enough not to question his faith in Bush. |
Bush doesn't need success. All he needs is the perception that he is doing something, and would be the best leader to do something. If OBL starts making threats and Bush says" We'll take care of it" support for him will only go up. He's the only alternative. Plus more people trust him on the war on terror than they did John Kerry. Threats from OBL will only enhance Bush's position. If that occupies the headlines rather than the war in Iraq, that's even better for Bush. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:15 am Post subject: |
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Bin Laden Alive? Oh really?
Hmmmmmm ... well, let's see now. This irrefutible conclusion based on an audio tape ( why not a video? Would at least be a litle more WAG THE DOG convincing ) purporting to be a "voice" recording of the old Bush family business partner.
All of this as well according to the good ol' CIA ( who we all know we can trust every time an official proclamation is issued ).
Say, why not start a poll? See how gullible people really are.
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Can you imagine how much power Bin Laden would gain if the US actually listened and pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan in response to his 'offer'? Assuming he's even alive. |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
Location: pusan baby!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Bin Laden Alive? Oh really?
Hmmmmmm ... well, let's see now. This irrefutible conclusion based on an audio tape ( why not a video? Would at least be a litle more WAG THE DOG convincing ) purporting to be a "voice" recording of the old Bush family business partner.
All of this as well according to the good ol' CIA ( who we all know we can trust every time an official proclamation is issued ).
Say, why not start a poll? See how gullible people really are. |
If 'more' conclusive proof emerges....will you admit that youre a knob? |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| waggo wrote: |
If 'more' conclusive proof emerges....will you admit that youre a knob? |
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