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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
Location: pusan baby!
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America has done more for the world than any other country in history ?????
Sir you need to get some sleep. |
It has brought schools and infrastructure to many countries. It has created an atmosphere where many inventions have been thought of that have helped the world. It spends a lot of money on the exploration of space. Before the current adminitstration, it use to be an example of freedom (to the world, even if not perfect). etc...etc... Again, many bad things, but people forget about the good. By the way, I am Canadian just incase you think I am biased. Name a country that has helped the world more (don't say Britian, other than the English language, they didn't leave as good of infrastructure when they left). The Vatican hasn't, even with all of it's missionaries. Yes, it has done a lot of bad too. You see it all the time. But that doesn't mean we should ignore the good either. |
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History? Look man its all about Standing on the shoulders of Giants....for the last fifty years America has clearly had the baton and I think theyve done a good job of being the most important country in the world.
But in one sentence you have just disregarded The Ancient Egyptians,Persians,Romans, GREEKS ,the Rennaisance,the industrial revolution and ill stop there .
Youre not an idiot as i said earlier but you are ignorant.Read a book. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| crime is lower now than pretty much any time post WW II. |
Love to see where you got this stat!
Prisons overcrowded, drug use rampant...far above and beyond any levels in history, homicides, rapes, thefts, assaults off the chart.
There are areas in some cities that the police are afraid to enter after dark....or in the day.
1950's...people left their doors unlocked, knew and socialized with their neighbors, people could go for walks at night in relative safety.
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| waggo wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| waggo wrote: |
America has done more for the world than any other country in history ?????
Sir you need to get some sleep. |
It has brought schools and infrastructure to many countries. It has created an atmosphere where many inventions have been thought of that have helped the world. It spends a lot of money on the exploration of space. Before the current adminitstration, it use to be an example of freedom (to the world, even if not perfect). etc...etc... Again, many bad things, but people forget about the good. By the way, I am Canadian just incase you think I am biased. Name a country that has helped the world more (don't say Britian, other than the English language, they didn't leave as good of infrastructure when they left). The Vatican hasn't, even with all of it's missionaries. Yes, it has done a lot of bad too. You see it all the time. But that doesn't mean we should ignore the good either. |
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History? Look man its all about Standing on the shoulders of Giants....for the last fifty years America has clearly had the baton and I think theyve done a good job of being the most important country in the world.
But in one sentence you have just disregarded The Ancient Egyptians,Persians,Romans, GREEKS ,the Rennaisance,the industrial revolution and ill stop there .
Youre not an idiot as i said earlier but you are ignorant.Read a book. |
 Your posts have always managed to show your intellectual ability and debating skills.
But all of those that you just said did not do it on the worldwide scale of America. Egyptians, Persians, Romans, Greeks did great things for their times, but not on a world wide scale (as half the world wasn't even mapped yet by that time.
The Rennaisance and industrial revolution. I am talking about countries... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it really so hard to admit that the U.S. has made lasting and far-reaching contributions in the world? |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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What have the Americans ever done for us? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| crime is lower now than pretty much any time post WW II. |
Love to see where you got this stat!
Prisons overcrowded, drug use rampant...far above and beyond any levels in history, homicides, rapes, thefts, assaults off the chart.
There are areas in some cities that the police are afraid to enter after dark....or in the day.
1950's...people left their doors unlocked, knew and socialized with their neighbors, people could go for walks at night in relative safety.
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OK, i was somewhat wrong, but so were you. The past decade has been safer than in years past.
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The rates provided on the graph below entitled "Number of Crimes in the US per 100,000 Inhabitants" are incidents per 100,000 inhabitants. These rates serve as a reliable mechanism for comparing the number of crimes in the US over time because they compensate for differences in population size. According to these statistics, the number of crimes committed in the US escalated significantly from 1960 to 1971. The most drastic rise of crime occurred from 1970 through 1971. This increase during the 1960s and the early 1970s may be attributed to tensions roused by the civil rights movement, the rise of racial militant groups, the creation of criminal-friendly rules by the Warren Court, and the incorporation of Alaska and Hawaii into the crime rate census. The number of crimes in the US peaked in 1980. During the subsequent year of 1981, in which the escalating crime rate declined only marginally, a federally financed study revealed that there was a strong correlation between heroin use and the rising crime rate, concluding that the propensity of heroin addicts to commit misdemeanors was 84% higher when they were using heroin regularly. They thus surmised controlling drug addiction would produce a decline in the crime rate.
From 1991 to 2000, the number of crimes in the US sharply declined. In the beginning of the year 2001, the US crime rate decreased by nearly 50% since 1993, reaching all-time low since 1973. However, in the autumn of 2001, the FBI Index revealed that the crime rate had rebounded, rising 2.1% since the year 2000. Experts and law enforcement analysts attributed the rising crime rate to the unstable national economy after the World Trade Center bombing on September 11th, an increase in the teenage population, and an increase in the flow of prison inmates back into the general population. |
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According to this site, crime peaked a couple decades ago.
US crime rates since 1960
So ok, not since WW II, but certainly things are safer now than the 80s, and most of the 90s. They're about equal to the bulk of the 70s.
The last time the murder rate was lower than it was in 2004 was 1966.
Doesn't sound that bad to me.
Edit: here is another graph from the dept. of justice showing that the violent crime rate has dropped significantly since 1973:
Property crime
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Nice graphs!
I wonder if the gravitation of the population to large cities plays any role in the change in stats?
Also to be considered is the amount of young people aged 12-18 who are involved in violent crimes.
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Is it just that the media covers it and sensationalises it so much it appears to be much worse? |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Here's another nice Churchill quote for you:
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| A man is about as big as the things that make him angry. |
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Offer as many quotes as you will,
but the FACT is that the same country/army disparaged by Churchill in the title of this thread, is the very SAME ARMY that helped defeat EUROPEAN FACISM and COMMUNISM, defeated JAPANESE FACISM WITHOUT MUCH HELP, manned the ramparts during the cold war, STARED DOWN THE SOVIET EMPIRE, DISLODGED SADDAM and the TALIBAN...
oh yeah, and last week, went onto Pluto...
meanwhile,
the peanut gallery is totally FREAKED by the presence of the US in Iraq...
sit back kids......enjoy the ride. |
Ok, I'll say it straight out. Get a sense of fucking humour. Churchill was your friend you knob. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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I'm reading "Dust of Empire" and highly recommend it.
FWIW, One thing it clearly shows is that the British have gotten off scot-free when it comes to examining the roots of the problems we are faced with today. The west may have forgotten, but the Arabs, Iranians, Indians, Afghanis, and Pakistanis haven't.
How many died in the partitioning of India and Pakistan?
Anyway, I didn't mean to hijack your thread but I think you can see what I'm driving at.
The Russians didn't come off very well either in that region, but of course I don't think anyone here is Russian.
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Just another book to suggest.......
I am about 400 pages in and it is really good....really puts into perspective the fact that this issue is a long time in coming and pretty much involves all the imperial powers past, present, and possibly future...."Fisker" has really done well with this one.....it is a monstrosity, but very deep and very readable.... |
Makes ya wonder why it has been the case that when some of us have tried to discuss the partitioning of Korea and the Middle East as being the genesis of current conditions (to varying degrees) on various threads, we've been essentialy laughed at, called anti-American, etc.
History has its effects. "Now" doesn't happen in a vacuum, nor does it spontaneously generate. |
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goodluck
Joined: 20 Jan 2006
Location: The far east
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| Isn't it worth noting that the USA has to deal with a world that has 24 hour news, internet ect that there actions are scrutinised more than any other "empire" in history. I would purport that in relative terms they are the most benign superpower. Superpowers throughout history have had to wage war/make horrible choices. However the USA has to deal with unprecendented scrutiny and a huge "liberal" mindest in the public and the media. If tv crews were around for the british/roman heydays, im pretty sure daves would have graver/nastier issues to discuss! |
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