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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| I don't know about an irony bypass but I have a rule that I never say anything on current events that I suspect could offend someone in a personal way. If someone knows someone personally who is involved in something dangerous or tragic I avoid offending them even if it would help me make a point. You'll recall the thread last week on the accident with the miners and how one poster tried to use it to talk about over-reliance on God and calling things miracles except that it later turned out to be just the opposite. Whether there was a point to be made there or not didn't matter because it was the wrong time and place to say it. |
Mith, you don't belong on this board.
That's a compliment to you and a shame for most of the rest of us. |
Yeah he belongs on the 'Mother Teresa wannabe' forum |
And you belong on this forum. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: |
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ASA! Nice zinger there.
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| Some of you still seem to have problems figuring out how to use the quote feature. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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I had the same reaction ... Oooh, "one" Canadian died.
Why are we so upset?
How many Americans have died fighting the same fight.
We complain nobody knows anything about Canada, or that we're ignored. Finally we have the chance to throw some weight around (as a Canadian is now, or soon will be, leading the forces in Afghan)and we moan when one Canadian actually sacrifices something for the world. We can't have it both ways. Either be happy to be anonymous, or accept the dangers that come with being a "player"
Yes, it is tragic that he died. But it happens. And on a much bigger scale for many other countries.
And Mith, the OP isn't going. He said his "former" regiment is going. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| One whole Canadian? |
Normally I'd be offended, and so I am, but let's face it: Crap threads like Newbie's thread on this same subject pretty much engender these sorts of responses. We reap what we sow on the board as in the real world. |
Yes, but crap like "one Canadian dead" is a lot worst than the crap I did.
You also mentioned on the sports thread that it was stuff like that (hockey, Canadians etc) which causes others to bash our country. Perhaps (although I don't think so), but I truly feel it is crap like this that gives them ammo for bashing us. A lot more than any sports related topic.
Should the whole world stop now that one Canadian has died in Afghan. He's not even the first to die! |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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I remember one editorial in the New York Times last year that said the main headline every single day should be "20,000 people die of starvation" because that's around what the actual number is. There certainly is too much focus on single deaths on the news when it's from one's own country, and that's just about the same in Canada as Korea. Yellow Monkey (a band) from Japan had a famous song in the 90s about that, when they noticed on the news that the announcer was reporting on a plane crash somewhere with a smiling face because 'no Japanese were on the plane'.
And to be honest when I watched a CTV News broadcast the other day and the death of the soldiers replaced election news at the front I thought the same thing: it's a warzone and people get killed, oh well, and I skipped right ahead to the election news. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| waggo wrote: |
| One whole Canadian? |
I guess that when Americans are biting the Iraqi sand by the chopper-load and no one cares anymore it's hard for some of them to understand why something like this would matter. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| waggo wrote: |
| One whole Canadian? |
I guess that when Americans are biting the Iraqi sand by the chopper-load and no one cares anymore it's hard for some of them to understand why something like this would matter. |
However, it is funny to see that you aren't revelling and basking in these deaths like you do American deaths. |
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PEIGUY
Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Location: Omokgyo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Newbie wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
| waggo wrote: |
| One whole Canadian? |
Normally I'd be offended, and so I am, but let's face it: Crap threads like Newbie's thread on this same subject pretty much engender these sorts of responses. We reap what we sow on the board as in the real world. |
Yes, but crap like "one Canadian dead" is a lot worst than the crap I did.
You also mentioned on the sports thread that it was stuff like that (hockey, Canadians etc) which causes others to bash our country. Perhaps (although I don't think so), but I truly feel it is crap like this that gives them ammo for bashing us. A lot more than any sports related topic.
Should the whole world stop now that one Canadian has died in Afghan. He's not even the first to die! |
This thread hasn't gone in the direction I intended. I was not looking for sympathy or anything else. I know of the Americans who died in Afghanistan and Iraq. I was merely posting it as a news item. I should have rethought my title but, I could not come up with a better one at the time. You're right he isn't the first one to die, he was the 9th to die. Lots of people make fun of the Canadian Forces (some of it in good nature some of it not) If you read the story you would have read about the medic who had part of his own leg blown off and the other severly damaged that fixed his own wound and went to help the others. I'm sure stories like that do happen in Iraq or Afghanistan but they're not reported. You can take it anyway you want some people tend to jump on things other people say. It was a misquoted title simple as that. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| Lots of people make fun of the Canadian Forces (some of it in good nature some of it not)... |
I just read somewhere that Canada is deploying the largest contingent of Spec. Forces it's ever deployed. Part of NATO's strategy to flood Afghanistan with Spec. Forces.
Canadian casualties are going to increase dramatically, and the first few weeks will be particularly tough on them.
Canadian commanders will almost certainly be faced with tough, brutal decisions from the moment they dispatch their first patrol, and then Canadians might learn from them that their criticisms of U.S. battlefield decision-making weren't so warranted after all. Apart from that point, I think this seems like a very respectable deployment of forces into an important theater. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:14 am Post subject: ... |
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| However, it is funny to see that you aren't revelling and basking in these deaths like you do American deaths |
Revelling and basking?
Care to provide a link to back this up? |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:43 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| However, it is funny to see that you aren't revelling and basking in these deaths like you do American deaths |
Revelling and basking?
Care to provide a link to back this up? |
Nah... Not really. 
I just know that there are too many people, Americans and Canadians alike, who use the deaths of soldiers on both sides as pure ammunition and love to read and quote the sensationalized headlines in order to further their arguments or political views.
I shouldn't have said "you" in that post. I should have said "everyone."
However, therre have been threads, such as this one that did indeed revel and bask in American deaths. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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OK.
Point taken, ignorant jackass.  |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: |
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waggo, someone died and you choose to make fun of it?
And no, you weren't attacking the op.
Whatever your feeling were it was just a classless act. Try to think before you post. Somone died, they had a familly and possibly children. |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
Location: pusan baby!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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waggo, someone died and you choose to make fun of it?
And no, you weren't attacking the op.
Whatever your feeling were it was just a classless act. Try to think before you post. Somone died, they had a familly and possibly children. |
Endo I respect anybody who Serves their country wether they lose their life or not.Maybe you are getting the wrong end of the stick because the Op has since changed the title of this thread and quite rightly to. |
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