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Bulsajo
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It's the intentionally misleading thread titles that bother me the most.
And when he does anything other than paste an entire article outright, then the shoddy research and innuendo (if not outright misinformation and paranoid reasoning) appear.
Oh, and of course the different fonts sizes, colours, random boldings, and underlining of text.
And the confusing and at times downright inappropriate use of emoticons.
And then I guess it would actually be the stretching of posts that bothers me the most. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Bignate:
Interesting article you posted. Thanks! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Nor did the "real" Al Qaida  |
Jeff Rense enjoys Al Qadia, he supports them and wishes them success.
,The subversive fascist combination of the far right and the far left supports Al Qaida and anyone else who is out to hurt the US cause the subversive fascists want the US out of the way so they can gain power.
but it could have been Jeff Rense who pulled it off -after all he did benefit from the attacks.
All the more reason why Jeff Rense supporters ought not be allowed US visas.
As for your article - Al Qaida has enjoyed considerable support in Pakistan for a long time. then again there are a lot in Pakistan who think honor killings , and blowing up Shia mosques is the right thing to do.
Just curious I wonder if those demonstrating against the air attack went out and demonstrated when Shia mosques were blown up, or when Al Qaida killed muslims from the Northern alliance or when Saddam gassed the Kurds or when Khomeni killed 30,000 just in 1988 or when Haffaz Assad destroyed the city of Hama?
Funny how they never turned out when those events occured. Well that they didn't tells what most of the demonstators are truly about.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:21 am Post subject: |
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If Al Qaida prime is destroyed , then probably attacks within the mideast and other 3rd world nations will continue, however these groups might very well lack the capablity to conduct major operations against the US or its allies.
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Joo, I think you still need to prove the causal link between the first part of this sentence("If Al Qaida prime is destroyed") and the second part("these groups might very well lack... etc"). How exactly does destroying Al Qaeda prime debilitate the rank-and-file? |
Well Al Qaida prime are the most able of Al Qaida, just cause someone or a group sympathizes with Al Qaida doesn't mean they have the abilty to pull of attacks on Al Qadia's scale. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:50 am Post subject: ... |
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| All the more reason why Jeff Rense supporters ought not be allowed US visas. |
Still don't know much about Rense, but it really doesn't matter.
Freedom of speech.
He has a right to it.
Your notion of denying him freedom of speech is Faschist.
You are free to ignore him, not to impose on his rights/liberties to say what he does. He can be sued for libel/slander if you have any point that can actually be proven. You don't.
The KKK can suck a fart out of my asshole. Holocaust deniers are in denial.
We have a free society. Let them drone on. Listening only empowers them.
Revoking their rights of passage for a political agenda only means that we can then revoke someone else's rights to a political agenda more worthy of consideration. We wouldn't want that, would we?
Censorship is wrong.
You are advocating censorship.
Hence, you are Faschist.
If Jeff Rense advocates censorship, then he is also a Faschist.
My advice: don't be a Faschist. People won't take you seriously.
So, Joo, what are you? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:57 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| All the more reason why Jeff Rense supporters ought not be allowed US visas. |
Still don't know much about Rense, but it really doesn't matter.
Freedom of speech.
He has a right to it.
Your notion of denying him freedom of speech is Faschist.
You are free to ignore him, not to impose on his rights/liberties to say what he does. He can be sued for libel/slander if you have any point that can actually be proven. You don't.
The KKK can suck a fart out of my *beep*. Holocaust deniers are in denial.
We have a free society. Let them drone on. Listening only empowers them.
Revoking their rights of passage for a political agenda only means that we can then revoke someone else's rights to a political agenda more worthy of consideration. We wouldn't want that, would we?
Censorship is wrong.
You are advocating censorship.
Hence, you are Faschist.
If Jeff Rense advocates censorship, then he is also a Faschist.
My advice: don't be a Faschist. People won't take you seriously.
So, Joo, what are you? |
No belonging to an organizaiton who is out to destroy the US is grounds for not getting a US visa.
I am not advocating censorship , But those those those who want there to be turmoil in the US during war so they pass on disinformation ought not to be allowed to get into the US.
IF there was a huge attack and the US govt was weakened these types would side with Al Qaida or far right groups against the US government. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: ... |
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| No belonging to an organizaiton who is out to destroy the US is grounds for not getting a US visa. |
And you are not a judge. You have no point, but are welcome to sue.
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| I am not advocating censorship , But those those those who want there to be turmoil in the US during war so they pass on disinformation ought not to be allowed to get into the US. |
And you are not a judge. A judge would establish whether there is disinformation. You do not have such a power. Moreover, you can sue him for libel/slander if there is disinformation. You have no point.
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| IF there was a huge attack and the US govt was weakened these types would side with Al Qaida or far right groups against the US government. |
And, again MORON, you are not a judge. Thanks for your opinion. You prove nothing. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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In the US it is not so easy to sue for slander.
ever see the Klan web sites , why do you think they are still up? cause what they say is true?
The conspriacy movement says what it does not because they are interested in the truth but because they want the US government destroyed.
Anyway anyone who is part that movement ought not be allowed a US visa. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:28 am Post subject: |
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In the US it is not so easy to sue for slander.
ever see the Klan web sites , why do you think they are still up? cause what they say is true?
The conspriacy movement says what it does not because they are interested in the truth but because they want the US government destroyed.
Anyway anyone who is part that movement ought not be allowed a US visa.
anyway it is sad that you hate Bush and US foreign policy so much that you have decided to stay silent and make coalitons with fascists.
I am not saying you are a fascist but I am saying you are willing to work with them and accept their help against Bush or those that agree / support him.
Sorry but that is the truth. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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Persuant to my earlier question about the nature of Al Qaeda, here is an excerpt from Juan Cole's blog, dated Janurary 24. You have to acroll down a notch if you wanna read the whole thing in context.
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Usamah Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri murdered 3,000 Americans, and they both issued tapes in the past week, blustering and threatening us with more of the same. Most of us aren't wild about paying for the Bush administration with our taxes, but one thing we have a right to expect is that our government would protect us from mass murderers and would chase them down and arrest them. It has not done that. When asked why he hasn't caught Bin Laden, Bush replies, "Because he's hidin'." Is Bush laughing at us?
On September 11, 2001, the question was whether we had underestimated al-Qaeda. It appeared to be a Muslim version of the radical seventies groups like the Baader Meinhoff gang or the Japanese Red Army. It was small, only a few hundred really committed members who had sworn fealty to Bin Laden and would actually kill themselves in suicide attacks. There were a few thousand close sympathizers, who had passed through the Afghanistan training camps or otherwise been inducted into the world view. But could a small terrorist group commit mayhem on that scale? Might there be something more to it? Was this the beginning of a new political force in the Middle East that could hope to roll in and take over, the way the Taliban had taken over Afghanistan in the 1990s? People asked such questions.
Over four years later, there is no doubt. Al-Qaeda is a small terrorist network that has spawned a few copy-cats and wannabes. Its breakthrough was to recruit some high-powered engineers in Hamburg, which it immediately used up. Most al-Qaeda recruits are marginal people, people like Zacarias Moussawi and Richard Reid, who would be mere cranks if they hadn't been manipulated into trying something dangerous. Muhammad al-Amir (a.k.a Atta) and Ziad Jarrah were highly competent scientists, who could figure the kinetic energy of a jet plane loaded with fuel. There don't seem to be significant numbers of such people in the organization. They are left mostly with cranks, petty thieves, drug smugglers, bored bank tellers, shopkeepers, and so forth, persons who could pull off a bombing of trains in Madrid or London, but who could not for the life of them do a really big operation.
The Bush administration and the American Right generally has refused to acknowledge what we now know. Al-Qaeda is dangerous. All small terrorist groups can do damage. But it is not an epochal threat to the United States or its allies of the sort the Soviet Union was (and that threat was consistently exaggerated, as well).
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:57 am Post subject: ... |
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In the US it is not so easy to sue for slander.
ever see the Klan web sites , why do you think they are still up? cause what they say is true? |
I know little about Klan websites. My guess is that they deal in a lot of opinion.
If it is hard to sue for libel/slander, then it so because of the standards of our judicial system. I trust them more than I trust your judgement. Moreover, if I didn't trust their standards, I would be trying to change them, not suggesting on a web-board that their speech is not acceptable, which it is until you succesfully sue them for libel/slander. Then you'd have a point. You don't.
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| The conspriacy movement says what it does not because they are interested in the truth but because they want the US government destroyed. |
Again, if you could prove that in court, you'd have a point. You don't.
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| Anyway anyone who is part that movement ought not be allowed a US visa. |
Yes, exactly my point. Joo=no point=censorship=faschist.
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| anyway it is sad that you hate Bush and US foreign policy so much that you have decided to stay silent and make coalitons with fascists. |
And that was my point to Kuros. My beliefs were unpopular in 2003, but they are the same as they are now. This drivel that you're spouting is the same.
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| I am not saying you are a fascist but I am saying you are willing to work with them and accept their help. |
If you ever see me deny the Holocaust or the subjugation of people based on race or creed, do call me out on it. I agree with none of that, but I defend such people's rights to express their opinions. To me that's the meaning of America.
Whether they oppose the same war I oppose is their business, but it gives you no right to lump us together to make the severely retarded, empty, nonsensical point you're not even close to making.
But again, carry on.
Sorry but that is the truth. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:58 am Post subject: |
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right Al Qaida can only kill thousands of Americans , therefore the US ought not to fight them hard.
As for the Soviet Union the US overestimated them sure, the Soviets overestimated their own power too. Futhermore they were out to destroy the US and the USSR had the ability to kill millions of Americans.
By the way look at Coles blog. When reponding to one of Bush's speeches Cole would not deny that Al Qaida fights for the Caliphate. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:00 am Post subject: |
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The conspriacy movement says what it does not because they are interested in the truth but because they want the US government destroyed.
Anyway anyone who is part that movement ought not be allowed a US visa.
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Joo:
Yeah, I can see why you wouldn't want those foreign consporacy mongers getting into the US and spreadig their disinformation. Like for example, that limey David Icke, who says that the US government carried out the 9-11 attacks themselves and the world is run by lizards.
And if anyone doesn't believe me that David Icke is a fascist conspiracy mongering limey, check out his website, accessible to any American with an internet hookup.
http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/092701d.html
Yes folks, that's David Icke.
24 hours a day.
7 days a week.
Free of charge.
Just like a zillion other internet conpiracy theorists.
Whom we MUST bar from entering the United States. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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In the US it is not so easy to sue for slander.
ever see the Klan web sites , why do you think they are still up? cause what they say is true? |
I know little about Klan websites. My guess is that they deal in a lot of opinion.
If it is hard to sue for libel/slander, then it so because of the standards of our judicial system. I trust them more than I trust your judgement. Moreover, if I didn't trust their standards, I would be trying to change them, not suggesting on a web-board that their speech is not acceptable, which it is until you succesfully sue them for libel/slander. Then you'd have a point. You don't.
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| The conspriacy movement says what it does not because they are interested in the truth but because they want the US government destroyed. |
Again, if you could prove that in court, you'd have a point. You don't.
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| Anyway anyone who is part that movement ought not be allowed a US visa. |
Yes, exactly my point. Joo=no point=censorship=faschist.
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| anyway it is sad that you hate Bush and US foreign policy so much that you have decided to stay silent and make coalitons with fascists. |
And that was my point to Kuros. My beliefs were unpopular in 2003, but they are the same as they are now. This drivel that you're spouting is the same.
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| I am not saying you are a fascist but I am saying you are willing to work with them and accept their help. |
If you ever see me deny the Holocaust or the subjugation of people based on race or creed, do call me out on it. I agree with none of that, but I defend such people's rights to express their opinions. To me that's the meaning of America.
Whether they oppose the same war I oppose is their business, but it gives you no right to lump us together to make the severely retarded, empty, nonsensical point you're not even close to making.
But again, carry on.
Sorry but that is the truth. |
Ever notice that the Klan engages in slander on their web sites but they never get sued.
That the US govt hasn't sucessfuly sued them for slander proves what? That what Klan says isn't disinformation or slander?
In fact those who belong to an organization that wants the US overthrown are not allowed Visas.
What is the motive for Jeff Rense and Michael Rivero , and the American Free Press?
Why don't you tell us?
You spend a fair of time lawyering for Igotthisguitar don't you?Not because you agree with all his opinions - but because he is useful to your movement. That is the truth isn't it?
People have a right to their opinions and express them however they don't have a right to try to create disorder during wartime cause they hate the US government, and infact those with those views are already banned from entering the US.
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: |
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By the way look at Coles blog. When reponding to one of Bush's speeches Cole would not deny that Al Qaida fights for the Caliphate.
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I'm a regular reader of the website. I don't recall him ever saying that Al Qaeda fights for the caliphate, but I'm sure he very well could've said that.
And I for one wouldn't deny that Al Qaeda's agenda is related to religious goals. The question I've been trying to address on this thread is the structural, not the ideological, nature of Al Qaeda. |
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