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TheUrbanMyth
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 Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: Re: The History Behind ESL Teaching |
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| Moreover, what's the future prospects for this field, seeing someone, somewhere, is bound to catch on that having native speakers just doesn't cut the mustard, at least not 100%. |
I will assume you are asking a serious question and not just trolling.
I've worked in hakwon and public schools. The hakwon kids that were exposed to numberous native speakers before me, spoke MUCH better (and coherent) English than the kids at my public school where I was the first native speaker, they'd ever had.
So it is better than nothing. And short of sending their kids overseas, which most Koreans can't afford, it is the best option. |
(1)Why would you assume someone's trolling. 
(2) You make a good point though.. . |
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1. His post(s) seem nothing more than an attack on teachers here. But regardless I didn't assume he WAS trolling, I assumed he was asking a serious question. Read my quote again.
2. As with all things I write.  |
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jacl
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know. I think this is all one big troll after another. |
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tomwaits
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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I think the OP is asking where this idea comes from that people an teach-using only the target language....
I studied French and Spanish in the past and cannot imagine how a Native speaker (without a word of English) would have done me ANY good in the world.
It is a rather zany idea really----in fact isn't the hiring of Kyopos getting more common eah year. That is where the future lies.
Wire that cash home while you can.  |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| tomwaits wrote: |
I think the OP is asking where this idea comes from that people an teach-using only the target language....
I studied French and Spanish in the past and cannot imagine how a Native speaker (without a word of English) would have done me ANY good in the world.
It is a rather zany idea really----in fact isn't the hiring of Kyopos getting more common eah year. That is where the future lies.
Wire that cash home while you can. |
I go to a Chinese hagwon now. Her English is pretty good, but most of the time it is all in Chinese. The couple times it wasn't we just went to her electronic dictionary. When there is no chance of easy translation, you have to work harder (and usually learn more). Did you study those languages in a classroom environment? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| tomwaits wrote: |
I think the OP is asking where this idea comes from that people an teach-using only the target language....
I studied French and Spanish in the past and cannot imagine how a Native speaker (without a word of English) would have done me ANY good in the world.
It is a rather zany idea really----in fact isn't the hiring of Kyopos getting more common eah year. That is where the future lies.
Wire that cash home while you can. |
Actually most Korean students start learning English from the Korean teacher who translates for them. When you start teaching they have already learned a little English. In public schools many classes are taught with a native speaker and a Korean English teacher in the same class. We are here to teach proper pronunciation and usage not English per se.
And the hiring of native speakers is getting more common (since many kyopos can not speak much or any Korean for that matter). Gyenoggi-Do wants to hire a native speaker for every school under its control in the next few years. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| tomwaits wrote: |
I think the OP is asking where this idea comes from that people an teach-using only the target language....
I studied French and Spanish in the past and cannot imagine how a Native speaker (without a word of English) would have done me ANY good in the world.
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I on the other hand started studying French with English speakers who did not teach in French, and then went on a six week program when I was 15 years old where only French was spoken, including in the classroom. Absolutely anything I learned in French, including before and since then, was learned during those six weeks.
As far as where the idea of teaching in the target language comes from, it's not a new idea. I remember reading that it goes back at least as far as the 19th century when a French speaker who couldn't speak English lied and said he could so that he got a job teaching French in England. (Or something like that. I don't know the whole story.)
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It is a rather zany idea really----in fact isn't the hiring of Kyopos getting more common eah year. That is where the future lies.
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Why is it zany? Perhaps Koreans overrate the usefulness of native speakers, but learning a foreign language is about learning to communicate, is it not? Teaching the target language through the target language ensures a couple of things. One, the students are forced to use the target language in the classroom, and forced to learn to communicate with it. Two, the teacher is forced to keep language tasks tangible and pragmatic, or the consequences of the students not understanding will be immediate. Having a native speaker or a really well-trained non-native speaker also ensures one other thing. The students don't learn to speak Korean with English words. |
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mj roach
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: The History Behind ESL Teaching |
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| Peace Corps + Profitable Japanese business models in hiring foreigners!! |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| jacl wrote: |
| I don't know. I think this is all one big troll after another. |
And you complain about me assuming people are trolls.... |
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