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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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 In response to complaints by several posters, I've gone back and deleted all my long posts of other peoples' essays (and such) on this thread. I think I just got carried away when discussions got a little heated, and my posting the whole thing instead of a website was just an "in your face" gesture - or something. Anyway, I'll be more careful about that from now on - I appreciate everyone's patience with me (especially the moderators...) |
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Grotto
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| I was a college student (the first time) during the height of the Vietnam war counter-culture movement, but I was too disturbed by the turbulent atmosphere to function academically as a student. I was into marijuana, hashish, LSD, opium, crystal meth, |
Well that clears alot of things up for me 
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| To say there isn't sacrifice of somethings and that we can do whatever we want is madness and totally contradictory to the Bible and the nature of God. While not everyone has it hard, many do. Consider the many Biblical examples, they gave up everything they had and while they had some great times, they had much difficulty also. |
It still amazes me that so called christians think they have some kind of corner on sacrifice. Please dont quote anything out of the bible as fact....its a story book....its sensationalised and it is totally blown out of proportion!
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| Redemption means that God hasn't got the sin on your permanent record |
Now thats just funny Your all powerful all seeing god hasnt noticed the sin yet 5 day rule in effect if you say your sorry within 5 days no penalty |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Whether-or-not God factually exists can not be ascertained by material vision or means. Many saintly people have claimed to see God by dint of "spiritual vision" ; and many mystic yogis - like the guy below from the earliest cosmic age when practically everyone meditated for thousands of years - have reportedly seen the localized (four-armed) Paramatma form of God situated within their hearts...
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Grotto
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Many saintly people have claimed to see God by dint of "spiritual vision" ; and many mystic yogis - like the guy below from the earliest cosmic age when practically everyone meditated for thousands of years - have reportedly seen the localized (four-armed) Paramatma form of God situated within their hearts... |
Yeah, I watched 'Cops' last night where a crystal meth freak had visions and saw god doesnt make it real 
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| when practically everyone meditated for thousands of years |
Riiiighhhhtttt because back then everyone lived for thousands of years 
Seeing visions doesnt mean crap...they can be drug induced, hypnosis induced(which is what chanting does by the way), fasting, heat, sickness etc. Visions dont mean anything except that the person having them was not quite right in the head! |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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According to the ancient Vedic concept of cosmic time there are four ages (yugas) corresponding to the four seasons. We be in the winter season at present, and our maximum liftspans are in the puny 100 year range. In the previous age (which ended only about 5000 years ago...) human lifespans were about ten times longer - 1000 years - which is consistent with Biblical accounts of the age of Abraham. In the age prior to that the duration of life was 10,000 years. And in the "spring" or "golden" age of goodness (sattya yuga) when mystic meditation was the recommended means for self-realization, humans lived for up to 100,000 years. (In this degraded age of quarrel and confusion (Kali) the only recommended means for self-realization is chanting holy names of God.
Intoxication is strictly avoided by yogis (and I've been drug and alcohol free for over thirty years...) Breath control, yogic postures, and focusing the mind and the other elements of mystic meditation require ideal, secluded conditions to be effective, and they are not recommended for self-realization in this age (although they may be good for fitness...) |
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skinhead
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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According to the ancient Vedic concept of cosmic time there are four ages (yugas) corresponding to the four seasons. We be in the winter season at present, and our maximum liftspans are in the puny 100 year range. In the previous age (which ended only about 5000 years ago...) human lifespans were about ten times longer - 1000 years - which is consistent with Biblical accounts of the age of Abraham. In the age prior to that the duration of life was 10,000 years. And in the "spring" or "golden" age of goodness (sattya yuga) when mystic meditation was the recommended means for self-realization, humans lived for up to 100,000 years. (In this degraded age of quarrel and confusion (Kali) the only recommended means for self-realization is chanting holy names of God.
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Well that's not bloody well fair. How come others get thousands of years for spirtual enlightenment and we have to figure it out in significantly less! |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, but chanting is much easier - and if you don't get liberated by the end of this age it's likely that you'll be around when the "golden age" comes around again in the endless time cycle... |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, but chanting is much easier - and if you don't get liberated by the end of this age it's likely that you'll be around when the "golden age" comes around again in the endless time cycle... |
Oh ya, forgot about that reincarnation thingy. Sorry, stupid question. (I understand hinduism about as much as the Simpsons have taught me, which is pretty darn ignorant to say the least , though I'm not particularily interested either) |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| The reason given for us not remembering our past lives is that the trauma of birth wiped out all memories of them (but at some point while suffering in the womb we could remember a number of previous births and deaths ...) |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| The reason given for us not remembering our past lives is that the trauma of birth wiped out all memories of them (but at some point while suffering in the womb we could remember a number of previous births and deaths ...) |
Is that why we are always kicking and punching?
(PS, this is a joke, but not directed sarcastically at the religion itself). |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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It's no joke - every time the mother eats something spicey or takes a drink, whatever, the baby trapped in the womb suffers greatly (and it's often bitten by tiny worms...  ) Birth is said to be more painful than death... |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| It's no joke - every time the mother eats something spicey or takes a drink, whatever, the baby trapped in the womb suffers greatly (and it's often bitten by tiny worms... ) Birth is said to be more painful than death... |
tiny worms? I probably shouldn't do this and give you a chance to explain, but I am curious??? |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll keep it short (and bitter...) "Tiny worms biting" is directly a translation from a Sanskrit verse in the Bhagavat Purana describing life within the womb. Although the "Bhagavatam" was compiled about 5000 years ago, I'm inclined to believe the basic veracity of the account - although it may refer to microorganisms... |
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Merlyn
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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It's no joke - every time the mother eats something spicey or takes a drink, whatever, the baby trapped in the womb suffers greatly (and it's often bitten by tiny worms... ) Birth is said to be more painful than death...
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Wasn't it common knowledge that many people retreat into the fetal position when they are scared because of the natural instinct of safety that comes from being in the womb. Maybe someone who studied psychology on this board could comment on this. If so, wouldn't it kind of contradict this claim. |
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