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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Better funded & armed ??? Is that right ??? Hmmmmmm ... ic. |
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| And WHO helped build up Al-Quaida ??? Any western interests ??? I believe the record shows that the CIA (among others ) had an instrumental role in actually creating Al-Quaida. Rather ironic wouldn't you say ??? |
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Uh no the CIA did not create Al Qaida. In fact Al Qaida came about in 1989 after the US stopped supporting the Afghan fighters .
Your facts are bad , but you will have check them from this point on.
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| While i don't know about Michael Rivero ( whoever he is ) sources that have provided Rense with information, as well as documents & various articles he's read has led him to believe westenr intel. agenies had an active hand in actually building up Al-Quaida. |
Nah Rense gets his info from a bunch of fascist disinformation artists like him.
Rense makes up or finds stuff for his agenda to cause disorder.
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| Build it up ... then, when the time is right, go in ... blow it up & annihilate anyone that dares to challenge your "divine right" ( tends to turd a tidy profit ), then build it all back up again ala say someone like "Halliburton" |
Where did they say that?
Jeff Rense distorts and lies to create disorder cause he could never get his way without it.
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| Ah yes, don't ya just love the smell of Napalm in the morning ??? :twisted |
Ah cliches when you have nothing worthwhile to say. |
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igotthisguitar
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: |
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notice the exercise didn't include bus bombings, and it was held by a private company.
As for the stations wouldn't the the biggest stations be the ones most likely to be attacked? |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: ... |
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| Uh no the CIA did not create Al Qaida. In fact Al Qaida came about in 1989 after the US stopped supporting the Afghan fighters . |
And this proves what? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: |
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I was answering a charge.
it proves that igotthisguitars charge was innaccurate. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: ... |
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So, the Afghan fighters turned into Al Quaeda.
If we hadn't supported the Afghan fighters, would there still be Al Quaeda?
Maybe. Maybe not.
What are you proving?
Nothing.
If you don't see that, you're a moron. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:16 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Uh no the CIA did not create Al Qaida. In fact Al Qaida came about in 1989 after the US stopped supporting the Afghan fighters . |
And this proves what? |
New Bottles ... OLD WINE  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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So, the Afghan fighters turned into Al Quaeda.
If we hadn't supported the Afghan fighters, would there still be Al Quaeda?
Maybe. Maybe not.
What are you proving?
Nothing.
If you don't see that, you're a moron. |
Not all of them , infact much of Al Qaida was too young to have fought in Afghanistan.
the US supported the Northern alliance too they did not turn into Al qaida.
the statement that the CIA created Al Qaida is not accurate. |
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igotthisguitar
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:32 am Post subject: ... |
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| the statement that the CIA created Al Qaida is not accurate. |
Well, we know very little about what the CIA does and doesn't do.
For you to definitively state what the CIA did or did not do is unprovable and MORONIC.
I believe the point was that the CIA was responsible for the Bin Laden subsequently creating Al Quaeda.
This is also speculation, but it does follow what we know about bin Laden and his attitude toward the US.
We empowered him during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.
He then became angry about the Gulf War.
This is circumstantially evident.
It supports the previous poster's assertion.
Your "No we didn't" argument is supported by...
well, simply your obstinacy.
I've clarified your challenge, now I'd like you to clarify your "No we didn't" argument.
Carry on. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:34 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| the statement that the CIA created Al Qaida is not accurate. |
Well, we know very little about what the CIA does and doesn't do.
For you to definitively state what the CIA did or did not due is unprovable and MORONIC.
I believe the point was that the CIA was responsible for the Bin Laden subsequently creating Al Quaeda.
This is also speculation, but it does follow what we know about bin Laden and his attitude toward the US.
We empowered him during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.
He then became angry about the Gulf War.
This is circumstantially evident.
It supports the previous poster's assertion.
Your "No we didn't" argument is supported by...
well, simply your obstinacy.
I've clarified your challenge, now I'd like you to clarify your "No we didn't" argument.
Carry on. |
Do you have any evidence that the US created Al Qaida?
did the US create Al Qaida? Is it an accurate statement? |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: ... |
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Do you have any evidence that the US created Al Qaida?
did the US create Al Qaida? Is it an accurate statement? |
Who said the US created Al Quaeda?
Did the US play a part in creating Alquaeda?
The answer would be an opinion backed by evidence.
Your evidence to the contrary?
Do you have any? |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: |
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By Tony Soldo
Online Journal Guest Writer |
igotthisguitar postulate. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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Do you have any evidence that the US created Al Qaida?
did the US create Al Qaida? Is it an accurate statement? |
Who said the US created Al Quaeda?
Did the US play a part in creating Alquaeda?
The answer would be an opinion backed by evidence.
Your evidence to the contrary?
Do you have any? |
Now being asked to prove the negative. Any evidence that Santa Claus isn't infact a real person?
Where is your proof?
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While the charges that the CIA was responsible for the rise of the Afghan Arabs might make good copy, they don't make good history. The truth is more complicated, tinged with varying shades of gray. The United States wanted to be able to deny that the CIA was funding the Afghan war, so its support was funneled through Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence agency (ISI). ISI in turn made the decisions about which Afghan factions to arm and train, tending to favor the most Islamist and pro-Pakistan. The Afghan Arabs generally fought alongside those factions, which is how the charge arose that they were creatures of the CIA. Former CIA official Milt Bearden, who ran the Agency's Afghan operation in the late 1980s, says, "The CIA did not recruit Arabs," as there was no need to do so. There were hundreds of thousands of Afghans all too willing to fight, and the Arabs who did come for jihad were "very disruptive . . . the Afghans thought they were a pain in the ass." Similar sentiments from Afghans who appreciated the money that flowed from the Gulf but did not appreciate the Arabs' holier-than-thou attempts to convert them to their ultra-purist version of Islam. ... There was simply no point in the CIA and the Afghan Arabs being in contact with each other. ... the Afghan Arabs functioned independently and had their own sources of funding. The CIA did not need the Afghan Arabs, and the Afghan Arabs did not need the CIA. So the notion that the Agency funded and trained the Afghan Arabs is, at best, misleading. The 'let's blame everything bad that happens on the CIA' school of thought vastly overestimates the Agency's powers, both for good and ill." [Holy War, Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden (New York: The Free Press, 2001), pp. 64-66.] |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: |
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BTW, you brought this thread back from the dead to post this?
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I guess you're just doin' your thing, massaging the 'truthiness' of one of your threads for all its worth (and then some). |
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