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rapier
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Other times I see a triumphalist humour as God gloats over the devil or his evil enemies.
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Instead of trying to help them, wonderful god you got there Rapier! So if this god was an ESL teacher with a bad student, he would laugh at him after wacking him with a stick (I consider the stick a good analogy to hell). |
Why would Perfection and light "help" evil and darkness? Would you give Adolf Hitler your life savings if he was destitute?
Move on from your punishment/victimhood fantasies. As the bible says, its is Gods will that no-one should Perish. Jesus came to save, not condemn.
Goodness rightly laughs at evil, but it is not funny that those who can choose to grab hold of a safety line opt instead to jump off the cliff because its more fun to be a rebel. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
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Other times I see a triumphalist humour as God gloats over the devil or his evil enemies.
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Instead of trying to help them, wonderful god you got there Rapier! So if this god was an ESL teacher with a bad student, he would laugh at him after wacking him with a stick (I consider the stick a good analogy to hell). |
Why would Perfection and light "help" evil and darkness? Would you give Adolf Hitler your life savings if he was destitute?
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If he had been destitute he couldn't have gotten to power like he did. And if a person had given him money if he was poor, you don't think that might have changed his mind if he was younger. You are not following Jesus very well, are you?
EDIT: Wouldn't Jesus have given him money?
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Move on from your punishment/victimhood fantasies. As the bible says, its is Gods will that no-one should Perish. Jesus came to save, not condemn.
Goodness rightly laughs at evil, but it is not funny that those who can choose to grab hold of a safety line opt instead to jump off the cliff because its more fun to be a rebel. |
If anyone is jumping off cliffs, drinking poison en masse or blowing themselves up without a saftely line it's hardcore religious people (of any faith), not the oppostie.
Also, wouldn't a good god not just send people to hell, but try to help them. Or atleast give them a parole hearing every so often. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Also, wouldn't a good god not just send people to hell, but try to help them. Or atleast give them a parole hearing every so often.
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uhm...it's called prayer. |
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Harpeau
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Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Instead of trying to help them, wonderful god you got there Rapier! So if this god was an ESL teacher with a bad student, he would laugh at him after wacking him with a stick (I consider the stick a good analogy to hell). |
Yes, but what if there is no stick? Just wondering. |
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rapier
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: |
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-the Hitler analogy was a bad one. But i think you can understand that Good and evil, night and day, black and white, east and west are total opposites.
Your suggestion that God should help those opposed to him, committed to working against him with full knowledge of what they are doing, is a bit silly don't you think? A bit like A jew helping Adolf Hitler with his extermination programme.
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Also, wouldn't a good god not just send people to hell, but try to help them. Or atleast give them a parole hearing every so often. |
Would a good God not punish evil, or at least put a deterrent out there.
Would you say your country's government was good if it let off all the rapists, murderers and criminals scot free?
Justice is one aspect of goodness. So is punishment.
if you make the clear choice to commit a crime with the full knowledge what you are doing is wrong..would you complain if you were thrown behind bars? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
-the Hitler analogy was a bad one. But i think you can understand that Good and evil, night and day, black and white, east and west are total opposites.
Your suggestion that God should help those opposed to him, committed to working against him with full knowledge of what they are doing, is a bit silly don't you think? A bit like A jew helping Adolf Hitler with his extermination programme.
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Also, wouldn't a good god not just send people to hell, but try to help them. Or atleast give them a parole hearing every so often. |
Would a good God not punish evil, or at least put a deterrent out there.
Would you say your country's government was good if it let off all the rapists, murderers and criminals scot free?
Justice is one aspect of goodness. So is punishment.
if you make the clear choice to commit a crime with the full knowledge what you are doing is wrong..would you complain if you were thrown behind bars? |
forever! |
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rapier
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:21 am Post subject: |
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forever! |
Do you think a lifetime is long enough to choose which one you want? What you're saying is, you reject the rescue rope freely offered in front of you, and prefer to jump off the cliff out of pride. |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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forever! |
Do you think a lifetime is long enough to choose which one you want? What you're saying is, you reject the rescue rope freely offered in front of you, and prefer to jump off the cliff out of pride. |
This rescue rope is pretty transparent, you can sort of see it, but you are not really sure if it is there. And you can't touch it until you have actually jumped. Some people would take their chances looking down the cliff for something to grasp or fall on. Or maybe even a way to climb down.
Plus, a lifetime isn't very long for the 40000 children who die each day (this number is only hunger and preventable diseases). |
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Fat Sam
Joined: 05 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Did Jesus have a sense of humour? I've no idea.
If he had been English, I'm sure he would have chuckled at the irony, despite being nailed to the cross, of being left to die in order to save the souls of his persecutors. As it was, he was Jewish, and I've yet to find a Jew who would consider crucifixion remotely amusing -even in hindsight.
Each to his own. |
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rapier
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:50 am Post subject: |
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This rescue rope is pretty transparent, you can sort of see it, but you are not really sure if it is there. And you can't touch it until you have actually jumped. |
Nice analogy. But believing is seeing. Faith can move mountains, as the bible and any successful athlete, millionaire and visionary will tell you.
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| Plus, a lifetime isn't very long for the 40000 children who die each day (this number is only hunger and preventable diseases). |
-perhaps thats why many christian charities and saints devote their lives to improving life for the less fortunate? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
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This rescue rope is pretty transparent, you can sort of see it, but you are not really sure if it is there. And you can't touch it until you have actually jumped. |
Nice analogy. But believing is seeing. Faith can move mountains, as the bible and any successful athlete, millionaire and visionary will tell you.
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| Plus, a lifetime isn't very long for the 40000 children who die each day (this number is only hunger and preventable diseases). |
-perhaps thats why many christian charities and saints devote their lives to improving life for the less fortunate? |
funny, so can steroids, a lottery ticket (or actual hard work), and what exactly is a visionary?  has anyone seen any mountains being moved?
Please stop with the Christian saints helping everyone and charities. Plenty of secular charities (Bill Gates for one), not to mention the Peace corps or tons of countries. Plus, they don't expect conversion either. |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry OP, I have been a party to hijacking this thread. I'll stop.
To be honest, I have no idea if he had a sense of humour. |
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rapier
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Please stop with the Christian saints helping everyone and charities. |
Why? credit where its due.
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| Plenty of secular charities (Bill Gates for one), not to mention the Peace corps or tons of countries. Plus, they don't expect conversion either |
All of them in accordance with the spirit of christian principles..from a society originally founded on christian principles.. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
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Please stop with the Christian saints helping everyone and charities. |
Why? credit where its due. |
I was too aggressive with this one, yes, Christians do good. But your thinking that they are the only ones is wrong.
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| Plenty of secular charities (Bill Gates for one), not to mention the Peace corps or tons of countries. Plus, they don't expect conversion either |
All of them in accordance with the spirit of christian principles..from a society originally founded on christian principles.. |
I hate to tell you this, but people were giving help long before your Christianity was created. By the way, did you know that Muslim countries give more than Christian ones in terms of per capita (well, the rich ones anyways). And what about Buddhist countries? Are you saying there were absolutely no people who did charity work in those countries before the word of God was spread throughout them? |
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bluelake
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