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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: Anyone ever heard of the Dropa stones? |
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I chanced on an article about them this past weekend.
Pretty interesting stuff.
I wonder what it means to our notions of pre-history?
http://www.subversiveelement.com/DropaStones.html |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Saw a two hour show on the history channel on this. Basically after the two hour show, they couldn't really say if they were real or not, basically the whole thing about the Chinese engineer who translated them is thought to be bogus. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Pure crap... go waste your money on an Erick VonDanekin book.  |
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know, there seems to be some pretty compelling and highly scientific descriptions that lead me to believe the persons studying this are about as legit as you can get.
This was the clincher that convinced me:
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This disc was also found to have a "groove" spiraling outward from the center, tightly wound like a Fred Flintstone phonograph album. |
Oh, those wacky Chinese archeologists!  |
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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The drawings have been carbon dated as being between 10 and 12 thousand years old (reportedly). |
How do you carbon date drawings? Maybe the bodies, but not the drawings. Something has to be, at one time, organic to be carbon dated doesn't it. |
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Hobophobic

Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm...carbon dating uses past organic materials found in soils around and in which items are found, and in this case I am curious as to know how they could date the cave drawings as well...
....perhaps if the caves were buried they used those materials found in soils at the base level to guesstimate?
*my bad....thnx CRSMNKY
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cruisemonkey

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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Carbon dating dates artifacts (made of once living materials) themselves, not soil. Potassium-argon and uranium-series dating are used to date rocks in which fossils are found.
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Merlyn wrote: |
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The drawings have been carbon dated as being between 10 and 12 thousand years old (reportedly). |
How do you carbon date drawings? Maybe the bodies, but not the drawings. Something has to be, at one time, organic to be carbon dated doesn't it. |
The ink? |
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cruisemonkey

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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, many of the pigments used would contain organic materials. However, it would not be accutate due to likely contamination. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Well, if they are fake or mis-interpreted, there sure seem to be a lot of people saying interesting things about them.
http://www.nii.net/~obie/dropa.htm
http://www.20kweb.com/weird_stuff/dropas.html
What I find the most interesting is not the stones themselves, but the stuff about the 2 tribes of people who are genetically different from anyone around them.
I wonder if any research has been done on that aspect. |
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Well, if they are fake or mis-interpreted, there sure seem to be a lot of people saying interesting things about them.
http://www.nii.net/~obie/dropa.htm
http://www.20kweb.com/weird_stuff/dropas.html
What I find the most interesting is not the stones themselves, but the stuff about the 2 tribes of people who are genetically different from anyone around them.
I wonder if any research has been done on that aspect. |
That's not that many people and most of them wrote on the topic about 40 years ago. The internet sites just review the same information. Where are the modern archaeologists I wonder. Where are the photos of the people? Sure they may look different, but is their genetic code that different. Any alien DNA? These are good questions. Otherwise, have you ever seen a dwarf (don't know if that is the correct term). They're short too, and may be different from you and I but that doesn't mean they're derived from aliens, not saying you think this of course.
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Merlyn
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: |
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And another comment on the stones, do any of the pictures show the carvings. Maybe I overlooked, but I don't think so. The Egyptian hieroglyphs took finding the Rosetta stone to learn how to understand them, apparently the Chinese archeologists just figured them out. They couldn't have been all that advanced then, unless they were similar to cave paintings and we don't usually say those were drawn by aliens, even if they are small.
Edited:All of the questions that we have raised have already been raised on another board and a professional archeologist has responded who specializes in East Asia archeology. It turns out there isn't even a record of the Chinese archaeologist, among other things. I'm sure it is just a conspiracy Not. Take a look though. There is a poster called rajajuju, Does he remind you of anyone
http://users.boardnation.com/~shadowboxent/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=222 |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: |
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The archeologist was actually Japanese.
There is a brief description of who he was on this site:
http://www.nii.net/~obie/dropa.htm
I tried to cut and paste the relevant section, but for some reason this computer refuses to co-operate.
There is a timeline given about various research that was supposedly done on these things.
It's about 3/4 way through the article, a short blurb about who he was. |
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Merlyn
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: |
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The archeologist was actually Japanese.
There is a brief description of who he was on this site:
http://www.nii.net/~obie/dropa.htm
I tried to cut and paste the relevant section, but for some reason this computer refuses to co-operate.
There is a timeline given about various research that was supposedly done on these things.
It's about 3/4 way through the article, a short blurb about who he was. |
The whole point is that the guy probably doesn't exist no matter where he was supposedly from. What university? No record. Who is this guy? They only say he died shortly after finding the stones. Where are the stones? They say they come and go. I saw the blurb you were talking about. Still so many unanswered questions, leads to so much doubt, but you can accept whatever you like. It would be interesting if they were accurate and these tribes were found, but they sound a lot more like the evidentially weak book of Mormons and the hieroglyphs that formed that book too, and those plates were supposedly taken up into the heavens by an angel. Draw your own conclusions about those too. |
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some waygug-in
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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I never said anything about drawing conclusions. I was just thinking that there may be some avenues that haven't been investigated.
Anyway,
Here's what Wikipedia says about the tribes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropa
Ham and Dropa tribes
The area in question is still inhabited by tribes known as the Hams ([Kham]) and the Dropas.
Dropa is derived from Dropka, nomadic herders who inhabit most of Tibet. Dropka literally means, dweller of the black tent, so named because their tents are made from black yak hair. The Dropka, as well as the Ham, do not dwell in caves; they are normal, everyday Tibetans.
Other reports tell of different kind of Dropa and Han tribes living in this area. Both tribes are semi-troglodyte pygmies. Adults' heights are 3'6" and 4'7" with an average height of 4'2", and weigh 38 to 52 lbs. They are yellow-skinned with thin bodies and disproportionately large heads. They have sparse hair on their bodies and have large eyes that are not Asian in aspect, but have pale blue irises. They are neither Chinese nor Tibetan. Another report says the tribesmen averaged about five feet in height.
It is plausible that Asian pygmies exist/ed and that their religion/folk tales believe/d that their culture decended from the sky originally. Many religions believe in this theme, including Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Other aboriginal cultures are between 4 and 5 feet in height: Inuit (Eskimos), Sami (Lapps), Ice Age nomads, rain forest natives, African pygmies, and Australian aborigines.
peace. |
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