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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Says Hussein's air force #2 |
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Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says
By IRA STOLL - Staff Reporter of the Sun
January 26, 2006
The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.
http://www.nysun.com/article/26514?page_no=1 |
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Wangja

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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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So they attacked the wrong country? |
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bucheon bum
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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and we should believe him because... |
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bucheon bum
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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edit: post was meant for other thread.
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On the other hand
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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"Saddam realized, this time, the Americans are coming," Mr. Sada said. "They handed over the weapons of mass destruction to the Syrians."
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So lemme get this straight. Sadaam kept his WMD up until the point where he realized the Americans were gonna invade, and THEN he decided to ship them to Syria?
And how much trust existed between Syria and Baathist Iraq? Assume for the sake of argument that Sadaam thought he could beat the Americans without the WMD. Okay, what guarantee did he have that Syria would give them back after the war? |
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
So lemme get this straight. Sadaam kept his WMD up until the point where he realized the Americans were gonna invade, and THEN he decided to ship them to Syria?
And how much trust existed between Syria and Baathist Iraq? Assume for the sake of argument that Sadaam thought he could beat the Americans without the WMD. Okay, what guarantee did he have that Syria would give them back after the war? |
It sounds pretty crazy, but then didn't saddam lose most of his air force to Iran in much the same way back in 91? |
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On the other hand
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Bulsajo wrote:
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On the other hand wrote:
So lemme get this straight. Sadaam kept his WMD up until the point where he realized the Americans were gonna invade, and THEN he decided to ship them to Syria?
And how much trust existed between Syria and Baathist Iraq? Assume for the sake of argument that Sadaam thought he could beat the Americans without the WMD. Okay, what guarantee did he have that Syria would give them back after the war?
It sounds pretty crazy, but then didn't saddam lose most of his air force to Iran in much the same way back in 91 |
I'm not familiar with this incident. You mean Sadaam GAVE his planes to Iran? Why? |
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Gopher

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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Because we kicked their asses out of our sky, that's why.
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Day 22: Wednesday, Feb. 6
U.S. F-15 fighters shoot down four Iraqi jets as they try to join 120 Iraqi aircraft that have been flown to Iran. |
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/iraq/nirq050.htm
Additional refs in here:
http://www.fas.org/man/crs/98-386.pdf
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Gopher

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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Saddam had chemical weapons. He used them. That was never in dispute.
It was not unreasonable to assume that he had some left over.
The problem was that the W. Bush Administration linked Saddam to 9/11 and bin Laden, and then painted him as an immeninent threat to the U.S. in 2002-2003, alleging that Saddam and bin Laden were conspiring to produce "mushroom clouds" over the U.S., etc., which was not accurate. |
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some waygug-in
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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It was unreasonable since every inspection team who was there and people in who were in charge of investigating this were saying the exact opposite. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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How would they know the inner secrets of Saddam's regime? |
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Kuros
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon, Joo, this is crazy. Next you're gonna be telling us that Assad had a hand in the Hariri assassination.
Actually, some skepticism is warranted, but this isn't as groundbreaking as it seems. How dangerous could Saddam's WMD program have been if it were transported by two pilots in two planes? No the mushroom cloud, indeed, Gopher. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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some waygug-in wrote: |
It was unreasonable since every inspection team who was there and people in who were in charge of investigating this were saying the exact opposite. |
Short memories:
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The [Iran-Iraq War] saw the use of chemical weapons, especially tabun, by Iraq. International antipathy to the Tehran regime meant Iraq suffered few repercussions despite these attacks. The UN eventually condemned Iraq for using chemical weapons against Iran, after the war. Chemicals weapons had not been used in any major war since World War I. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War
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Saddam Hussein is the first world leader in modern times to have brutally used chemical weapons against his own people. His goals were to systematically terrorize and exterminate the Kurdish population in northern Iraq, to silence his critics, and to test the effectiveness of his chemical and biological weapons. Hussein launched chemical attacks against 40 Kurdish villages and thousands of innocent civilians in 1987-88, using them as testing grounds. The worst of these attacks devastated the city of Halabja on March 16, 1988. |
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm |
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Wangja

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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Nobody's saying he didn't have 'em at one point and hadn't used 'em earlier.
What is being said is that in the months running up to the invasion, Hans Blix's team reported (twice at least) that there were none. That there were none reported and that this fact was disregarded and did not prevent the invasion is the issue. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:44 am Post subject: |
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My point is simply that it is not unreasonable at all to have assumed that Saddam had some kind of WMD program, based on his demonstrated history with the things.
I never believed that he was an immediate threat to the U.S., however, or that he was linked in any way to bin Laden, and I continue to believe that the Iraqi War was an unjust war for that reason.
There could be all kinds of explanations why we never found the WMD or WMD facilities, though, and the one Joo offers here is not implausible at all. I'd just like to see some direct evidence before buying it. |
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