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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: Freemasonry Discussion Thread |
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Interestingly, there was a related ( "Masons in Korea" thread ) started up a little while ago.
Let's open things up here a little more to allow for a general discussion of Freemasonry,
its history, controversies and supposed "merits".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
One thing i find interesting is how Mason Lodges are presently stepping up to the plate
in an effort to play a more key role in micro-chipping society
http://www.nebraska-grand-lodge.org/?pageID=7&newsID=51
My impression is there's a significant number of posters here who are loyal members.
So, here's your chance: fire away gents.
Hopefully you can help to shed a little further "light" on its "not-so secret" workings  |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Thank God, my father only belonged to the Elks Club (where he used to play rummy every day after teaching high school...)
Isn't there a link between the Masons and the Shriners (who ride around on those carts with their fez's...)
And, what about them "Mooses" ("Meeses"?) whatever...? |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: |
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This provides a great way for ourchildren to meet and become familiar with both law enforcement and dental professionals in a friendly environment. |
Yep, that's exactly the kind of stuff I was into as a kid!  |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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My impression is there's a significant number of posters here who are loyal members. |
significant number?
Quick somebody call Ryst!
igotthisguitarpostulate,
and your ass must be very sore given that you are contantly talking through it. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:41 am Post subject: |
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CHIP is an evolving program and is open to your suggestions. Any suggestion
for changes or enhancements of CHIP should be forward to the CHIP coordinator through the Grand Lodge Office. |
Somebody stamp me!!
Rev. 13 |
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diablo3
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: |
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That's all we need, a step closer to having our rights taken away, and to be monitoried and controlled anywhere we go.
Who wants to have their fingerprints taken and have a cheek swab?
It is bad enough we as foreigners have our fingerprints taken when we work here in Korea. Why do we need fingerpirnts taken? To find out who was punching a drunk impolite Korean after he drinks 2 bottles of soju?
Why do children need to do this? From the possibiiity of kidnappings?
I bet they are saying "Don't worry, it's for a good cause, it will save children".
Suggestions for improvements? Hehe, plant an RFID chip in everyone's skull. With the world getting closer to being one true global network, people having an RFID chip in their skull can be monitored and controlled anywhere and anytime. |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
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I'm reading this (really good) book right now- my dad is a 32nd and my moms has been Rosicrucian since the 60's...
Baigent and Leigh (coauthors of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail )
These guys write great books, I love their writing style...NOT masons, they play it fair and tell the truth... |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Wow! Impressive response to the thread so-far
I gotta say, one of the chapters in Freemason history i find most intereting is the nefarious Captain Morgan affair.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_%28anti-Mason%29
Anyone else know much about this? For those who're interested in learning more, i encourage them to do a non-Google WEBSEARCH.
After the details of this former member's murder came to light, enrollment in the Secret Society plummeted all throughout the USA.
Interestingly, one of the things that followed in the wake of all of this was the emergence of the ANTI-MASON political party.
Who headed its ranks? Why ... a HIGH ranking Mason of course
What would you expect? |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:41 am Post subject: |
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My grandfather was a mason. I'm interested in what that was all about. At his funeral, a few came and did some sort of ceremony or something. I think that some people were put off by it, but I can't quite recall. Not that I was young (26), but it was a funeral so... Maybe I'll ask my dad. |
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Xerxes

Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Location: Down a certain (rabbit) hole, apparently
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Does Korea have a gentlemen's club where you can pay dues to enjoy their restaurant, their pool hall, their facilities, and it not be some kinky thang?
Kinda like the Masons without the ceremonial stuff. Are the Masons like the Rotory Club with club members going skanking every once in a while? What, the hey, happens in them meetin's of theirs? Like an agenda listing or a program listing. |
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Xian

Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
Wow! Impressive response to the thread so-far
I gotta say, one of the chapters in Freemason history i find most intereting is the nefarious Captain Morgan affair.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_%28anti-Mason%29
Anyone else know much about this? For those who're interested in learning more, i encourage them to do a non-Google WEBSEARCH.
After the details of this former member's murder came to light, enrollment in the Secret Society plummeted all throughout the USA.
Interestingly, one of the things that followed in the wake of all of this was the emergence of the ANTI-MASON political party.
Who headed its ranks? Why ... a HIGH ranking Mason of course
What would you expect? |
The murder of William Morgan
These events occured in the western part of New York in 1826...
��William Morgan was a Royal Arch mason
��He determined to publish the secrets of the order
��He was kidnapped, secretly transported more than 100 miles to a fortress prepared by freemasons.
��He was held for several days where he underwent insult and abuse
��He was then privately murdered and (it is believed) his body was dropped into a lake
��The kidnap abuse and murder was designed and approved of by several hundred of the most respectable and intelligent of the masonic brethren following many meetings
��These included legislators, judges, sheriffs, clergymen, generals, physicians, lawyers.
��They deemed it their masonic duty to murder him
��The company who had agreed to print Morgan's expose was targeted by the same group
��The printer's building was set on fire - at night - by an incendiary device
��A family of ten persons occupied the lower part of the building
��The printers six assistants slept in the upper rooms
��On another occasion large numbers of masons armed with clubs gathered in the area with the avowed intention of taking away the manuscripts by violence
��On another occasion a masonic constable arrested the printer under a false charge - carried him to a neighbouring village - confined him - assaulted him - and threatened him with the fate of Morgan. With the help of friends he escaped
��The constable, along with others was convicted
��When inquiries were being made into Morgan's murder a state officer said "Difficulties which have never occurred in any other prosecution have been met at every step. Witnesses have been secreted; they have been sent off to Canada, and into different states of the Union...In one instance, after a party implicated had been arrested and brought into this state (New York) he was decoyed from the custody of individual having him in charge, and finally escaped. These occurrences have been so numerous and various as to forbid the belief that they are the result of individual effort alone.."
��When the case came to public attention the outcry against masonry was great and many thousands left the ranks of freemasonry.
��However many, having made a public show of their disapproval later started up new lodges or joined others
For full report of the proceedings of the United States Anti-Masonic convention dealing with this case go to http://www.crocker.com/~acacia/text_usamc.html (This report will open in a new window so you will not leave this site in the process)
I am not here to disrespect any Masons, but I don't support it. If anyone would like extensive information about all aspects of Masonary from a spiritual perspective and what I believe is behind it, feel free to PM me. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:23 am Post subject: |
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The 1st degree initiation ritual is quite interesting. Pant leg rolled up to the knee, knife to throat ( to remind them what happens if they ever divulge what they learn )
http://www.nireland.com/evangelicaltruth/chapter3.html
http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm
Man killed in Masonic gun ritual
By Emma Simpson
BBC News, New York
An initiation ceremony at a Masonic Lodge in New York has ended in tragedy after a man was killed during a ritual for new members.
William James was accidentally shot in the head when a lodge member used a real gun instead of a blank pistol by mistake.
The alleged gunman, a freemason aged 74, has been charged with manslaughter.
It was supposed to have been the climax of the initiation rituals at the Southside Masonic Lodge in Long Island.
Police said that William James was forced to sit in a chair with a gun pointed straight at him.
The aim was to frighten their new recruit ( so reports BBC )
But Albert Eid, a long-serving freemason, had two guns in his pocket, one with blanks and one with real bullets.
He apparently pulled the wrong one, killing Mr James.
The initiation rituals and symbols of the Masons have long been shrouded in secrecy but the grandmaster of the New York State Freemasons issued a statement denying that guns played any role in official lodge ceremonies.
William James was apparently being sworn into a select group within his lodge but it was a prank which went fatally wrong
Secret Masonic Handshakes, Passwords, Grips And Signs Of Blue Lodge Masonry
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/handshakes.htm |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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What about the UNfree Masons? Are they all living in Sicily, caged up unless sent overseas to work building American suburbs???? Have any escaped and gotten over here to Korea? Do they have a sorid tale of conspiracy, secrecy , pedophilia and political intrigue to share? Are these the unheard of boatpeople that come up on the radar screen in the Sea of Japan? Are they infiltrating the Korean church??? Why aren't the Free Masons helping their suffering brethren? Or are they too busy being a bigger and better mob..?
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vertical loser
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Maybe there are sub-sects within the Freemasons. I had a friend in New Zealand whose father was a prominent member, in England. What she told me about what hapenned to her a a child as part of Freemason rituals was so incredulous I dismissed it. Then I picked up a book a while later which made allegations about the Freemasons which precisely mirrored her claims. Scary stuff. I won't recount the claims here, as they are just too horrible for public consumption. |
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