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R. S. Refugee

Joined: 29 Sep 2004 Location: Shangra La, ROK
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:14 am Post subject: America has become a rogue nation |
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Paul Craig Roberts: 'Blind ignorance:
Polls show many Americans are simply dumber
than Bush'
Posted on Sunday, January 29 @ 09:32:41 EST
This article has been read 513 times.
Two recent polls, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll and a New York Times/CBS News poll, indicate why Bush is getting away with impeachable offenses. Half of the US population is incapable of acquiring, processing and understanding information.
Much of the problem is the media itself, which serves as a disinformation agency for the Bush administration. Fox "News" and right-wing talk radio are the worst, but with propagandistic outlets setting the standard for truth and patriotism, all of the media is affected to some degree.
Despite the media's failure, about half the population has managed to discern that the US invasion of Iraq has not made them safer and that the Bush administration's assault on civil liberties is not a necessary component of the war on terror. The problem, thus, lies with the absence of due diligence on the part of the other half of the population.
Consider the New York Times/CBS poll. Sixty-four percent of the respondents have concerns about losing civil liberties as a result of anti-terrorism measures put in place by President Bush. Yet, 53 percent approve of spying without obtaining court warrants "in order to reduce the threat of terrorism."
Why does any American think that spying without a warrant has any more effect in reducing the threat of terrorism than spying with a warrant? The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which Bush is disobeying, requires the executive to obtain from a secret panel of federal judges a warrant for spying on Americans. The purpose of the law is to prevent a president from spying for partisan political reasons. The law permits the president to spy first (for 72 hours) and then come to the court for permission. As the court meets in secret, spying without a warrant is no more effective in reducing the threat of terrorism than spying with a warrant.
Instead of explaining this basic truth, the media has played along with the Bush administration and formulated the question as a trade-off between civil liberties and protection from terrorists. This formulation is false and nonsensical. Why does the media enable the Bush administration to escape accountability for illegal behavior by putting false and misleading choices before the people?
The LA Times/Bloomberg poll has equally striking anomalies. Only 43 percent said they approved of Bush's performance as president. But a majority believe Bush's policies have made the US more secure.
It is extraordinary that anyone would think Americans are safer as a result of Bush invading two Muslim countries and constantly threatening two more with military attack. The invasions and threats have caused a dramatic swing in Muslim sentiment away from the US. Prior to Bush's invasion of Iraq, a large majority of Muslims had a favorable opinion of America. Now only about 5 percent do.
A number of US commanders in Iraq and many Middle East experts have told the American public that the three year-old war in Iraq is serving both to recruit and to train terrorists for al Qaeda, which has grown many times its former size. Moreover, the US military has concluded that al Qaeda has succeeded in having its members elected to the new Iraqi government.
We have seen similar developments both in Egypt and in Pakistan. In the recent Egyptian elections, the radical Muslim Brotherhood, despite being suppressed by the Egyptian government, won a large number of seats. In Pakistan elements friendly or neutral toward al Qaeda control about half of the government. In Iraq, Bush's invasion has replaced secular Sunnis with Islamist Shia allied with Iran.
And now with the triumph of Hamas in the Palestinian election, we see the total failure of Bush's Middle Eastern policy. Bush has succeeded in displacing secular moderates from Middle Eastern governments and replacing them with Islamic extremists. It boggles the mind that this disastrous result makes Americans feel safer!
What does it say for democracy that half of the American population is unable to draw a rational conclusion from unambiguous facts?
Americans share this disability with the Bush administration. According to news reports, the Bush administration is stunned by the election victory of the radical Islamist Hamas Party, which swept the US-financed Fatah Party from office. Why is the Bush administration astonished?
The Bush administration is astonished because it stupidly believes that hundreds of millions of Muslims should be grateful that the US has interfered in their internal affairs for 60 years, setting up colonies and puppet rulers to suppress their aspirations and to achieve, instead, purposes of the US government.
Americans need desperately to understand that 95 percent of all Muslim terrorists in the world were created in the past three years by Bush's invasion of Iraq.
Americans need desperately to comprehend that if Bush attacks Iran and Syria, as he intends, terrorism will explode, and American civil liberties will disappear into a thirty year war that will bankrupt the United States.
The total lack of rationality and competence in the White House and the inability of half of the US population to acquire and understand information are far larger threats to Americans than terrorism.
America has become a rogue nation, flying blind, guided only by ignorance and hubris. A terrible catastrophe awaits.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: [email protected]. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:34 am Post subject: Re: America has become a rogue nation |
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R. S. Refugee wrote: |
Paul Craig Roberts: 'Blind ignorance:
Polls show many Americans are simply dumber
than Bush'
Posted on Sunday, January 29 @ 09:32:41 EST
This article has been read 513 times.
Two recent polls, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll and a New York Times/CBS News poll, indicate why Bush is getting away with impeachable offenses. Half of the US population is incapable of acquiring, processing and understanding information. |
What a completely preposterous statement. Sensationalism in pseudo-scientific guise.
What does seem clear IMHO is that the media, and by no means only the US media, is not giving people all the information they need and presenting (sets of) pre-packaged opinions on all issues. But the media is doing this mainly under the influence of market forces.
If Adam Smith is right the hidden hand (assuming a demand for better news services exists) should sort this problem out sooner or later and better news services will appear. I wonder how long it will take for market forces to deliver?
In the meantime if you're interested in a story I find you have to spend quite a lot of time on research checking different sources in order to get the facts you need to have an informed opinion. Or is that nothing new, just a fact of life...? Anyway it's a time-consuming business and plenty of people can't be bothered. Quite possibly there are a greater percentage of Americans than people of other countries who aren't interested but that's a lot different to saying 50% of Americans are mindless zombies! |
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johndoe

Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: miss |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. |
So, this guy was an employee of Ronald Reagan. And he's lamenting the influence of dumb Americans.
Ooooh-kay.... |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: America has become a rogue nation |
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R. S. Refugee wrote: |
It is extraordinary that anyone would think Americans are safer as a result of Bush invading two Muslim countries and constantly threatening two more with military attack. The invasions and threats have caused a dramatic swing in Muslim sentiment away from the US. Prior to Bush's invasion of Iraq, a large majority of Muslims had a favorable opinion of America. Now only about 5 percent do.
...Bush has succeeded in displacing secular moderates from Middle Eastern governments and replacing them with Islamic extremists. It boggles the mind that this disastrous result makes Americans feel safer!
What does it say for democracy that half of the American population is unable to draw a rational conclusion from unambiguous facts? |
I shake my head at this too.
But it ain't "extraordinary", it's ordinary right-wing logic:
use force to establish force, assuming one could dominate by force as the only "legitimate" force if only one used force enough. Stop the visible known sources of opposing force and take every step possible to find the unknown sources of opposing force.
It works in a house, in a small town, a city, maybe in one's own country,... but on a worldwide scale?
conservative assumptions are what are absurdly false, though not as patently obvious to reasonable minds as the author thinks it is |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Where is the proof that the US was popular in the mideast before 9-11?
anyway
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"I guess the real story about 9/11 is about what the people are actually saying. I��ve gotten hundreds of emails in response to my columns and many of them talk about not getting the truth from the government or the media about what really happened at the World Trade Center. I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility." |
Paul Craig Roberts is a moonbat |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: Re: America has become a rogue nation |
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Privateer wrote: |
What a completely preposterous statement. Sensationalism in pseudo-scientific guise. |
No, Americans are lazy and ignorant. If they weren't, Bush would not now be in office. The evidence speaks for itself. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:51 am Post subject: Re: America has become a rogue nation |
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EFLtrainer wrote: |
Privateer wrote: |
What a completely preposterous statement. Sensationalism in pseudo-scientific guise. |
No, Americans are lazy and ignorant. If they weren't, Bush would not now be in office. The evidence speaks for itself. |
I'm still waiting to see if Americans can make this statement in a couple of years about Harper. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Of course 50% are mindless zombies, politically. The socialists took over the education system years ago in order to control the minds of the citizens. If you go back and read the debates in the state legislatures, this is what they said at that time. They crushed America's private education system to eradicate the ability of the people to discern that their Liberty was being slowly eroded. Now, a clique of militaristic, imperialistic, communist republican party hacks have taken over. The final nail. Will America wake inside its coffin? No. The zombies might vote for militaristic, imperialistic, fascist socialist democrats instead. The same play with different actors has the same ending.
Rogue nation. Yes. Sadly, its true. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Beware of those say they are trying to save us from the corrupt democracy that must be bypassed and so they are taking their case directly to the people.
Look who doesn't like the "rogue" nation US
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Behind Algeria, on a score of 110.55, come North Korea, Burma, Indonesia, Libya, Colombia, Syria, Iraq (of Saddam Hussein ), Yugoslavia and China. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan (of the Taliban) and Nigeria follow closely. The United Kingdom comes 141st; a good score on a global basis but not so admirable when compared with other rich, industrialised countries - we are seventh out of 23. |
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It scores 10 out of 10 on denial of majority rights because of gassing the Kurds.
A country with a wretched record of human rights abuse could score a maximum total of 190. Saddam Hussein's Iraq proves the winner of the unmodified list - which measures human rights abuses outside of their economic context - with an unadjusted score of 155. |
http://www.algeria-watch.org/mrv/mrvrap/observe4.htm
Coincidence? Nope.
With enemies like that the US must be doing something ok and the US has all the right ones. |
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ChimpumCallao

Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: your mom
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: America has become a rogue nation |
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EFLtrainer wrote: |
Privateer wrote: |
What a completely preposterous statement. Sensationalism in pseudo-scientific guise. |
No, Americans are lazy and ignorant. If they weren't, Bush would not now be in office. The evidence speaks for itself. |
yes it does. by the evidence of this statement, you have no idea what are talking about.
prove americans are lazy and ignorant. don't forget to research productivity per hour, rankings of universities, phd's and inventions per capita, and gdp. but i assume you may be too busy re-stitching the maple leaf on your backpack to look at mere FACTS that may support your statement. who has time for that sh*t?
what a complete knee-jerk say nothing statement. if you're going to bash bush and americans there are plenty of ways to go around it with facts and merit. |
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