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Gorgias
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
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 Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:37 am Post subject: URI or GNP? |
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So, if you could vote here, or rather, in spite of the fact that you can't vote here, which party do you favor?
My vote is..., I'm not sure, Uri obviously has a lot of pros, not being the conservatives, but it seems like they are not all on the same page, seems like Uri is made up of all sorts of different intrests that contradict each other. Also I was not happy with the direction the re-development of the Suwon and Yongsan station areas took. So tenatively: GNP. But I'm pretty ignorant about this issue, and would love to see some debate on it to school me some on the topic.
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: |
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GOP.
The Uri party is as corrupt as it gets. I hate the appeasement of North Korea that seems to be done at any cost. NK cant do anything wrong in the eyes of the rulling party. If they attacked a South Korean naval ship and killed some sailors the rulling party wouldnt condemn it. Oh wait, that already happened. Its time to get tough on North Korea. Pronto. North Korea has to be faced and stared down. They were all talk about sanctions being a declaration of war. The US went and slapped North Korea with sanctions and nothing happened. The Uri party doesnt get it. The only way to get through to NK is to be tough on them. I think that threatening to shut down Kaesong of NK doesnt come to the talks and be an honest negotiation partner, and then actually going through with the threat if they dont comply, would be the first step to letting them know that Seoul means business. Right now NK is laughing at Seoul's lack of backbone. It has to change.
P.S. Since when did being a NK appeaser and a pro commie become a sign of being progressive? I keep hearing this word used to describe the traitors who sympathize with Kim Jong Il. |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:00 am Post subject: |
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Thank god, you don't have the vote.  |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| indiercj wrote: |
| Thank god, you don't have the vote. |
Well, I may soon;) |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Location: 서울
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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ok, so let's stare down those evil north koreans.. hell, let's bring the country to the brink of war while we're at it!
north korea is run by an awful government, nobody would deny that.. but we have to recognise the reality of the situation. the consequences of war are too terrible to contemplate, so that is why we have to give these rotten bastards a little leeway, even if it goes against our natural instinct. you don't seriously believe that �츮�� actually likes north korea, do you? in my time in korea, i've met a few political/civil service types and the general attitude is pretty much as i've described. i would call it common sense, even if it doesn't strictly feel right. and i would bet a lot of money that if the president were from �ѳ����, he or she would be following a pretty similar path.
as for the corruption aspect... i would suggest they are all pretty darn corrupt. i heard the standard way to bribe a politician is to give him a set of car keys... once you locate your gift, you drive off.. and when you get home, open up the boot and find it stuffed full of cash. nice work if you can get it, i suppose... |
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leebumlik69
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: DiRectly above you. Pissing Down
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: Re: URI or GOP? |
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| Gorgias wrote: |
So, if you could vote here, or rather, in spite of the fact that you can't vote here, which party do you favor?
My vote is..., I'm not sure, Uri obviously has a lot of pros, not being the conservatives, but it seems like they are not all on the same page, seems like Uri is made up of all sorts of different intrests that contradict each other. Also I was not happy with the direction the re-development of the Suwon and Yongsan station areas took. So tenatively: GOP. But I'm pretty ignorant about this issue, and would love to see some debate on it to school me some on the topic. |
http://www.asianinfo.org/asianinfo/mongolia/pro-politics.htm - Politics
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea - ESL stuff |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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ok, so let's stare down those evil north koreans.. hell, let's bring the country to the brink of war while we're at it!
north korea is run by an awful government, nobody would deny that.. but we have to recognise the reality of the situation. the consequences of war are too terrible to contemplate, so that is why we have to give these rotten bastards a little leeway, even if it goes against our natural instinct. you don't seriously believe that �츮�� actually likes north korea, do you? in my time in korea, i've met a few political/civil service types and the general attitude is pretty much as i've described. i would call it common sense, even if it doesn't strictly feel right. and i would bet a lot of money that if the president were from �ѳ����, he or she would be following a pretty similar path.
as for the corruption aspect... i would suggest they are all pretty darn corrupt. i heard the standard way to bribe a politician is to give him a set of car keys... once you locate your gift, you drive off.. and when you get home, open up the boot and find it stuffed full of cash. nice work if you can get it, i suppose... |
There wouldnt be a war. Everything the NK warned about being a "declaration of war" have come to pass and NK doesnt look like they want any part of a war. The latest being sanctions slapped on them by the US. And sanctions were supposed to be a declaration of war. Wheres the war?
NK is weak, they know it. It seems that the president and his party of NK sympathizers doesnt know it. Or perhaps Im right and they sympathize with NK. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Shouldn't that be GNP - Grand National Party? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not crazy about fascism, and there are people close to me who would likely get thrown in prison if they take power. Plus, it would suck if they ban all live music clubs, like Lee Myungbag hinted they would do last summer. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not crazy about fascism, and there are people close to me who would likely get thrown in prison if they take power. Plus, it would suck if they ban all live music clubs, like Lee Myungbag hinted they would do last summer. |
Yeah, I think Uri gets a bad rap on Dave's as the party of anti-wayguk xenophobia, largely because of the '02/'03 hatefest. But five'll get ya ten that the GNP would be at least as bad for that sort of thing, albeit for their own purposes. They'd ease up on the anti-GI stuff, not because they like Americans but because they like the military. And if, like most social conservatives, they start pursuing a law and order agenda, who do you think they're gonna scapegoat as the main cause of crime? Their fellow Koreans? Not likely! |
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Beavis
Joined: 24 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| heheh hNnnnh. hehe! yeah. yEeah heh! i'm doWn wih the OPP |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
Yeah, I think Uri gets a bad rap on Dave's as the party of anti-wayguk xenophobia, largely because of the '02/'03 hatefest. But five'll get ya ten that the GNP would be at least as bad for that sort of thing, albeit for their own purposes. They'd ease up on the anti-GI stuff, not because they like Americans but because they like the military. And if, like most social conservatives, they start pursuing a law and order agenda, who do you think they're gonna scapegoat as the main cause of crime? Their fellow Koreans? Not likely! |
I really don't care what they think about waegs; they could try and kick us all out but enough of us would cheat the system. I'm talking about what they'll do to intellectuals and university professors and musicians. My girlfriend didn't have a dad for three years of her early childhood because her dad was in Park Junghee's guesthouse for the overachievers, underachievers, activists, and random criminals (just to make things spicy). |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
Yeah, I think Uri gets a bad rap on Dave's as the party of anti-wayguk xenophobia, largely because of the '02/'03 hatefest. But five'll get ya ten that the GNP would be at least as bad for that sort of thing, albeit for their own purposes. They'd ease up on the anti-GI stuff, not because they like Americans but because they like the military. And if, like most social conservatives, they start pursuing a law and order agenda, who do you think they're gonna scapegoat as the main cause of crime? Their fellow Koreans? Not likely!
I really don't care what they think about waegs; they could try and kick us all out but enough of us would cheat the system. I'm talking about what they'll do to intellectuals and university professors and musicians. My girlfriend didn't have a dad for three years of her early childhood because her dad was in Park Junghee's guesthouse for the overachievers, underachievers, activists, and random criminals (just to make things spicy). |
I agree. There are worse things they could do than ship out all the ESLers. I just used race-baiting as an example of things that right-wing governments tend to do.
Overall, though, I'm not sure how far the GNP could go in reviving the mass imprisonment of dissidents without making Korea the object of international scorn. On the other hand, I'm sure they wouldn't be holding any debates about repealing the National Security Laws either. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. There are worse things they could do than ship out all the ESLers. I just used race-baiting as an example of things that right-wing governments tend to do.
Overall, though, I'm not sure how far the GNP could go in reviving the mass imprisonment of dissidents without making Korea the object of international scorn. On the other hand, I'm sure they wouldn't be holding any debates about repealing the National Security Laws either. |
I don't see a difference between enacting those laws and illegally imprisoning people for being "North Korean supporters." This country really hasn't travelled far from its dictatorship roots. Especially considering the current world situation, where fighting the Axis of Evil is seen as more important than human rights, it would be in the name of anti-Communism, so who would step in? The US would be smiling.
And yeah, you'd probably see a lot of English teachers signing up for the ol' Samchung University. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think any of the parties are going to set the clock back 20 years and start mass imprisonment of 'North Korea supporters' again... |
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