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[Bulsajo]

U.S. fired on Canadian diplomats without warning, envoy says
Last Updated Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:44:00 EST
CBC News

Canadian officials dispute the U.S. version of an event in Iraq and insist that American soldiers fired without warning on a consular vehicle carrying four Canadian diplomats, CBC News has learned.

* INDEPTH: Iraq

The shooting took place Tuesday in Baghdad's Green Zone, a heavily fortified area where the Iraqi government office and the U.S. military headquarters are located.

The U.S. military issued a statement saying that American troops in a convoy shot a vehicle carrying the Canadian chargé d'affaires to Iraq and three other diplomats in Baghdad on Tuesday.

The U.S. military said that, as the Canadian vehicle approached the convoy on the road, American troops used hand and arm signals ordering it to stop. The statement said the vehicle did not slow down so U.S. troops fired what they called warning shots, fearing a suicide bombing attack.

"The rear guard on a U.S. convoy signalled the vehicle to stay back," the statement said. "After it failed to do so and continued moving toward the convoy from behind, warning shots were aimed at the front of the vehicle, away from the passenger area."

But a Canadian diplomat who was in the vehicle told a very different version of the incident to CBC News reporter Eric Sorensen.

'Kaboom! They don't know what's happened'

The diplomat, who was not named, said no one in the Canadian vehicles remembered seeing anyone signalling to them. The first sign they had of a problem was when they heard a booming sound.

"They just remember kaboom! It happened," said Sorenson, who spoke to the diplomat by telephone from Ottawa.

The incident took place after the Canadians pulled out of the British compound in the Green Zone, a heavily fortified area in the centre of Baghdad where the Iraqi government office and the U.S. military headquarters are located.

The diplomat said the Canadian vehicle – which had a Canadian flag symbol on its dash – waited for a U.S. convoy of five Humvees to pass. Then it followed at a safe distance at about 20 to 25 km/h for about five minutes. She said Canadian officials often share the road with U.S. military vehicles and saw nothing unusual about the situation.

Unlike the version offered by the U.S. military, the Canadian diplomat told CBC News that the American convoy had pulled entirely off the road and into a staging area behind a barrier.

"Again this kind of thing has happened all the time, according to this official, so the Canadian vehicle now carried on down the road after the convoy had pulled all the way over and off to the side," Sorensen said.

That's when they heard a loud noise as dust flew up around their vehicle.

"They don't know what's happened. They feel they've been hit by a bomb," said Sorensen.

"The car comes to a stop. The driver puts his arm outside the car to signal that 'we're not part of whatever blast just happened, we're just stopped here for the moment.' They all ducked down."

One bullet entered passenger compartment, diplomat says

The diplomat said a U.S. soldier came running over to see whether they were all right, and they all got out of the vehicle. It was only at that point that they realized what had happened.

"They realized that two bullets had been fired that hit across the front into the hood of the car, hitting on the passenger side, and one other bullet actually passed across the front of the windscreen and just over the windshield wiper into the front of the passenger compartment," said Sorensen.

U.S., Canadian military launch investigations

The chargé d'affaires, Stewart Henderson, was whisked away while the others were debriefed. They all thought that was the end of the incident.

They only decided to speak up after the U.S. military came out with a different version of events, the Canadian diplomat told CBC News.

Both the Canadian and U.S. military have launched investigations.

"Right now, we've talking to the Canadian government about the incident," Todd Vician, a Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement issued Wednesday. "It's a regrettable incident and we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened."

Canada's incoming prime minister, Stephen Harper, also said the two countries were working together to resolve the incident.

"We're obviously very glad that no one was hurt," he said during a news conference in Ottawa.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/02/01/diplomats060201.html

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-02-01T115231Z_01_N01188879_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-USA-CANADA.xml?ref=rss

[Pligganease]

Good God...

Automatically the American version of what happened is dismissed, and people don't stop to think about what was said by the Canadian diplomat about what he/she said happened.

[Bulsajo]

Re-read the story but this time pull your head out of your arse first.

[laconic2]

While it is unfortunate the incident happened, it could have been a lot worse.

In fact, I'm surprised it wasn't.

Given what Americans soldiers and Marines encounter there on a daily basis and given the number of American military that have been killed or wounded, personal survival becomes numero uno from the time you wake and go to sleep and wake up during the night to make sure you are still there to wake up in the morning.

If you've been in that situation, you understand what I'm talking about. If you haven't, well, perhaps you should before being so quick to criticize those who have and are.

[peppermint]

Didn't something similar happen with an Italian journalist there a year or so back?

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[Newbie]

Good god my fellow Canucks!

Accidents happen!! Relax.

As soon as I read about this on line I knew some overly-sensitive Canadian on Dave's would bring it up. Bloody annoying.

Go frobid any Canadian ever come in to some form of danger, EVER. It's a freakin's war zone, what do you expect?

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[Bulsajo]

Considering that in the OP I posted no commentary except for the article and a link to a non-Canadian article on the same subject,
a few people seem to have suddenly become psychic and apparently think they know exactly what I was "implying" with this thread.
Thankfully they weren't anybody whose opinions I respect.

Case in point:

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[Bulsajo]

You're hopeless, but then that's nothing new. I'll wait for the results of the investigation.