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Did you predict North Korea's collapse?

 
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: Did you predict North Korea's collapse? Reply with quote

In 1996, I remember this scholar from the Sejong Institute, a think tank in Seoul, saying that most collapse predictions for North Korea were bunk and that the North could last another 20 years. The then CIA director had said he expected the North to last only another three years, and most people were saying the only question was WHEN the North would collapse, not if.

Another Korean scholar at a seminar I attended pointed out that numerous scholars mentioned the "soft" and "hard" landing theories of North Korea's demise, but that few or none spoke of the "no" landing theory, as in Kim Jong-il and Co. will retain power.

So much for the "experts."
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, so much for the experts. because the flow of history has officially ended and nothing new will ever happen from now on.
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bobbyhanlon



Joined: 09 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NK survived the massive famine of the 90s, so i doubt that it's going away any time soon now.
my personal belief is that change will eventually come in the way it is coming to china; when kim jong-il gets too old to rule, or dies, slow reform will start taking place. forcing them to change would probably be too disastrous so i believe this is the best that can be hoped for.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbyhanlon wrote:
NK survived the massive famine of the 90s, so i doubt that it's going away any time soon now.
my personal belief is that change will eventually come in the way it is coming to china; when kim jong-il gets too old to rule, or dies, slow reform will start taking place. forcing them to change would probably be too disastrous so i believe this is the best that can be hoped for.


Slow change will occur but I'm not sure it will prevent the demise of the regime because I simply don't believe the succesor to Kim Jong Il that will be credible in the eyes of North Koreans. It is believed one of the Kim Jong Il's will succeed him, but they are all relative unknowns who have accomplished little on their own that can be spun into a cult of personality (on top of the fact that a generational gaps exists between them and Kim Il Sung, which will make it difficult to build a cult of personality around them simply based on their pedigree). Then again, they may use this at their advantage to gain the trust of foreign nations.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you know what I love? Talking about this kind of stuff with my buddies in a bar when we're all a bit drunk.

One of us read most a book about North Korea, and I've saw an article in Time magazine when my plane was delayed so we're pretty much experts on the whole field.

I've never actually met a North Korean, but I have been to the DMZ and seen it through a telescope so I think that when their leader (who I saw in Team America) dies, the 22 million people in that country will probably zzzzzzz
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I predict a government-led communist insurrection against the populace in the South before the regime up North ever collapses.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yeah, so much for the experts. because the flow of history has officially ended and nothing new will ever happen from now on.


Laughing I think someone read The End of History and the Last Man by Francis Fukuyama one times too often!

You do realize he was beaten to an intellectual pulp and basically relegated to the light history section by most of his peers right? Wink
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
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yeah, so much for the experts. because the flow of history has officially ended and nothing new will ever happen from now on.


Laughing I think someone read The End of History and the Last Man by Francis Fukuyama one times too often!

You do realize he was beaten to an intellectual pulp and basically relegated to the light history section by most of his peers right? Wink


somebody left their copy of "Sarcasm: A Great Way to Win Friends" on the schoolbus.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nahhh billy...I got that book right here. Very useful.



I also have a copy of "The Statement of the obvious Method: a 12 step program". That comes in handy in here too.


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