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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps some Europeans now realise what is at stake. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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anyone who is insulted by those cartoons needs to:
1. grow up
2. look in the mirror
3. chill the hell out and develop some sense of humor |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Very interesting to see some of the reactions by other governments and media:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons
Just from today:
February 2006
* 1 February
o The French newspaper France Soir publishes the cartoons, adding one of their own. The chief editor is fired later the same day by the Egyptian owner. The French Government dissociates itself from the initiative.[52]
o The German newspaper Die Welt publishes some of the cartoons[53], as do the German newspapers Tagesspiegel and Berliner Zeitung.
o Italian La Stampa publishes the pictures.
o Spanish El Periodico publishes the pictures
o The Dutch papers Volkskrant, NRC Handelsblad and Elsevier publish the pictures.
o The Danish embassy in Syria is evacuated because of a hoax bomb threat. [54]
o Syria recalls its ambassador from Denmark. [55]
o Geert Wilders, leader of the Dutch political party Group Wilders and holder of Group Wilder's seat in the Dutch parliament, puts the drawings on his personal web site [5]. [56]
o The Finnish Minister of Foreign Affairs criticises the Danish government for its slow actions on the matter.
o The Russian Orthodox Church and the Mufti Council condemned those European newspapers which republished the cartoons.
o Chechen guerrilla leader Shamil Basayev condemns the drawings.
o Jyllands-Posten's headquarters as well as its office in Copenhagen is again evacuated after a bomb threat. [57]
o An influential Muslim organization in Malaysia, the Muslim Consumers Association of Malaysia, has called on the Malaysian government to protest the cartoons with the Danish government. [58]
o A spokesman from the Indonesian Foreign Ministry condemns the caricatures saying that freedom of expression should not be used as a pretext to insult a religion. [59]
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I think it's good to see this get brought into the open like this. Once again I agree with BB. And of course there should be no apology. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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It just goes to show you that people are getting tired of bowing and scraping to muslims. The're all take and no give. The non-muslim world is not going to put up with their temper tantrums for much longer. Muslims demand so much respect but they never give it, and more then that, they don't deserve it to begin with. You can humor a belligerent child for so long, but eventually you just smack it and send it to it's room until it's ready to behave.
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:17 am Post subject: |
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I think this is my favourite quote so far:
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Syria on Sunday also joined the chorus of condemnation.
"Syria strongly condemns this insult against the supreme token of the Arab and Islamic nations," the Syrian news agency Sana quoted an unidentified Foreign Ministry official as saying.
The official said the Danish government should punish the offenders. |
That gets a total of ten rolling eyes.  |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: |
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I just read today a Jordanian tabloid actually reprinted the cartoons saying 'people should know what they're getting upset over' or words to that effect. I wonder if their offices will get bombed now? |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Privateer wrote: |
I just read today a Jordanian tabloid actually reprinted the cartoons saying 'people should know what they're getting upset over' or words to that effect. I wonder if their offices will get bombed now? |
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1889584,00.html
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"What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?" wrote Jihad Momani.
He told the AFP news service he decided to publish the offending cartoons "so people know what they are protesting about... People are attacking drawings that they have not even seen." |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Here's a tiny light of common sense shining through from Lebanon, which is of course, 1/3 Christian...
Lebanese Magazine Publishes the Cartoons
By Anadolu News Agency (aa), Amman
Published: Thursday, February 02, 2006
zaman.com
Weekly Lebanese magazine, Shihan has published three of the 12 cartoons of Prophet Mohammed, which created a storm in the Islamic world when they were published in the Danish daily. In the editorial attached to the cartoons, the Lebanese magazine invited all Muslims to see ��common sense.��
Shihan magazine featured the cartoons depicting the Prophet carrying a bomb in his turban.
In the article with the subtitle reading, ��World��s Muslims, be logical,�� Jihad Momani asks, ��Which one do you think damages Islam more? These cartoons or the scene of a suicide bomber who blows himself up outside a wedding ceremony in Amman, or the kidnappers that slaughters their victims before the cameras?�� |
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The Lemon

Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
Here's a tiny light of common sense shining through from Lebanon, which is of course, 1/3 Christian... |
Sadly, a very tiny light in a great sea of darkness.
AbbeFaria wrote: |
It just goes to show you that people are getting tired of bowing and scraping to muslims. The're all take and no give. The non-muslim world is not going to put up with their temper tantrums for much longer. |
I think that's a lot to do with it. Non-Muslims around the world (not just Westerners) are tiring of tippytoeing around the eggshells of Muslims, many of whom seem to be on a never-ending quest to be offended and outraged. (Koreans aren't unlike this sometimes, too.)
I'm glad they published those cartoons - now everyone can see it for what it is. The people who make demands of others who don't share their beliefs are bullies.
And when they demand the European governments punish the newspapers, they show a total ignorance of what a free media is like. Considering the origin, this isn't surprising. |
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:47 am Post subject: |
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A few quotes from FOX today:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183686,00.html
"In mosques throughout Palestinian cities, clerics condemned the cartoons. An imam at the Omari Mosque in Gaza City told 9,000 worshippers that those behind the drawings should have their heads cut off.
"If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon.""
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"Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," protesters in Ramallah chanted.
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""Hands that reach Islam must be broken," chanted a group of extremists outside the Merkez Mosque in Istanbul."
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"About 800 people protested in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, chanting "Death to Denmark" and "Death to France." Another rally in the southern city of Karachi drew 1,200 people.
Fundamentalist Muslims protested outside the Danish Embassy in Malaysia, chanting "Long live Islam, destroy our enemies."
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About 10,000 demonstrators, including gunmen from the Islamic militant group Hamas firing in the air, marched through Gaza City to the Palestinian legislature, where they climbed on the roof, waving green Hamas banners.
"We are ready to redeem you with our souls and our blood our beloved prophet," they chanted. "Down, Down Denmark."
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Now for my comments:
A war is brewing. Whether the West wants it or not, it will happen. Why? Because many muslim brothers believe the West wants to destroy it. It is not unlike a paranoid man walking the street at night, fearing all of those around him. He wants to kill anyone or anything that approaches him, for anyone who dare do so must hate him, and want him dead.
There are few tolerant voices in the Middle East these days. Perhaps the most interesting quote of the day:
"French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy condemned the protests in a television interview.
"I am totally shocked and find it unacceptable that -- because there have been caricatures in the West -- extremists can burn flags or take fundamentalist or extremist positions which would prove the cartoonists right," he said."
A war is brewing. The lines have been drawn. Sadly, the radicals have poorly chosen to call everyone around them who is not Muslim (and even a few Muslims) the enemy. Much of Europe, which would have gladly sided with many Muslim nations against US "imperialism", has been outcast for merely having the audacity to print a cartoon.
Muslims around the world (not all, but many) WANT a war. They WANT Iran to get nukes. They WANT to shed blood. It's coming to a world near you, and as much as people want to dance around it, it cannot be avoided.
Sad. Very sad.
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: |
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I would love to see them start some crap. They think that since the West hasn't disciplined them thus far that we don't have the stomach for it, but oh how wrong they are. As you said BBE, Europe wanted to side with them, and look how that loyalty is repaid.
Let us not forget that Europe gave rise to some of the most brutal wars in all of recorded history, going back 1500 years. Despite their civility, Europeans are some brutal SOB's. And then they are the folks from my neck of the woods. As I said in another post, the States have been half-a$$ing it the last four years. If the gloves were to come off...Ooo, it gives me goose bumps just thinking about it. Let them bomb some schools in Europe and in the US, let them think that we'll flee in terror and that Allah will protect them. Let them set off a nuke or dirty bomb some where. The gates of hell will be open and all it's fury will rain down upon them. And afterwords we'll salt the earth.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: |
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If the gloves were to come off...Ooo, it gives me goose bumps just thinking about it. Let them bomb some schools in Europe and in the US, let them think that we'll flee in terror and that Allah will protect them. Let them set off a nuke or dirty bomb some where. The gates of hell will be open and all it's fury will rain down upon them. And afterwords we'll salt the earth.
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So, you get all excited about the idea of MORE terrorism occuring(targetted at children no less), just so you can have the thrill of annihilating all those people? Wouldn't a person of normal psychological disposition fantasize about there being no terrorist attacks at all? |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
So, you get all excited about the idea of MORE terrorism occuring(targetted at children no less), just so you can have the thrill of annihilating all those people? Wouldn't a person of normal psychological disposition fantasize about there being no terrorist attacks at all? |
It's a means to an end. As BBE wrote, it's coming whether we want it or not. We try and try to appease them but they want it all. Are you okay with turning your life over to Islamofascists? I sure as hell am not. Every bomb they detonate every child they kill, every dirty bomb they try to get and detonate is just another nail in their coffin. It's going to have to be dealt with and, as is seen countless times throughout history, people rarely react until after the crisis has occured. Muslim extremists and those who side with them are going to step over the line one times to many and they're going to recieve the mother of all smack-downs.
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frozenpeas
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Who is? Why are you grouping Muslims from all over the world as some kind of evil Bloc?
Do you honestly think that there will be a worldwide Muslim rising? If so...wow...just wow. |
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