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taegu girl
Joined: 20 Apr 2004
Location: California
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Well, my son has a English/Korean name spelled "Jadon" in English (pronounced like Jason but with a d) and my husband (korean) calls him "Jae-don"- "don" as in the meaning of money in korean -sorry don't have korean font. It sounds very similar and it honors both heritages. Actually Jadon is becoming a more popular name in the USA but my Korean sister in law says his korean name has a old fashioned ring to it  . The Jae part of his name is part of the Korean custom of having one name the same with boys in a family. So, he has an English middle name which honors my dad and family. His registered korean name does not include a middle name (dual citizenship) but his USA passport does. He answers to both at 15 months old.
On the subject of 2 names confusing someone's identity, i disagree. My dad has one name (his middle name) that his family calls him since my grandfather and him share the same first name and he goes by his first name with my mother and all her family and friends. He has no identity issues although he does turn his head to both names when he hears either one And his parents both come from the same ethnic group so i don't think the practice of your children having 2 different names is necessarily something only bicultural families may do.
As far as girl names go, Mia and Ria are also a bicultural names. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Jadon is becoming a more popular name in the USA |
As are Shaniqua, Antwun, Lafawnduh, and Shaquille. |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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On the subject of 2 names confusing someone's identity, i disagree. My dad has one name (his middle name) that his family calls him since my grandfather and him share the same first name and he goes by his first name with my mother and all her family and friends. He has no identity issues although he does turn his head to both names when he hears either one And his parents both come from the same ethnic group so i don't think the practice of your children having 2 different names is necessarily something only bicultural families may do.
As far as girl names go, Mia and Ria are also a bicultural names. |
Do you really think your grandfather's story compares with someone having one legal name in Korea and a different legal name in say the US? I really don't care what you do in your own life (or how others name their children), I am just pointing out the weakness of the arguement. 
My son and I have the same legal name, but I am called Chris and he is called Christian (and sometimes monster). |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Do you really think your grandfather's story compares with someone having one legal name in Korea and a different legal name in say the US? I really don't care what you do in your own life (or how others name their children), I am just pointing out the weakness of the arguement.
My son and I have the same legal name, but I am called Chris and he is called Christian (and sometimes monster). |
I don't think anyone is arguing here, Chiaa, though in my opinion, if you want to talk about names and a loss of identity, naming your son after yourself probably wasn't the best thing you could have done.
Though not my first choice, having both a western and Korean name for my daughter does have benefits (make lemonade, they say). She'll have access to either name (when the time comes in her late teens) for her to choose citizenship. If, for some unlikely reason, she'll want to assume her Korean citizenship, she'll have a normal Korean name that won't leave her ostracized at every turn. Until that time, the names that appear on documents will be of little concern to her.
Besides, I'm starting to find all this talk about multiple names and identity loss to be a bunch of crap. In America, we have official first, middle, last name. Add to that the shortened names, nicknames, Junior, etc... and most Americans have quite a few names attatched to them (no jokes, please ) No loss of identity there, so don't see it being a problem for my daughter.
More names, more choices for her down the line. |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Do you really think your grandfather's story compares with someone having one legal name in Korea and a different legal name in say the US? I really don't care what you do in your own life (or how others name their children), I am just pointing out the weakness of the arguement.
My son and I have the same legal name, but I am called Chris and he is called Christian (and sometimes monster). |
I don't think anyone is arguing here, Chiaa, though in my opinion, if you want to talk about names and a loss of identity, naming your son after yourself probably wasn't the best thing you could have done.
Though not my first choice, having both a western and Korean name for my daughter does have benefits (make lemonade, they say). She'll have access to either name (when the time comes in her late teens) for her to choose citizenship. If, for some unlikely reason, she'll want to assume her Korean citizenship, she'll have a normal Korean name that won't leave her ostracized at every turn. Until that time, the names that appear on documents will be of little concern to her.
Besides, I'm starting to find all this talk about multiple names and identity loss to be a bunch of crap. In America, we have official first, middle, last name. Add to that the shortened names, nicknames, Junior, etc... and most Americans have quite a few names attatched to them (no jokes, please ) No loss of identity there, so don't see it being a problem for my daughter.
More names, more choices for her down the line. |
Definitions of argument on the Web:
* a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true; "it was a strong argument that his hypothesis was true"
You are also talking about nick names, not legal names. My legal name is Christian; my nick name is Chris. My fraternity brothers called me Schnell. In highschool I was called Chiaa. One time at summer camp I was named Bones. But I truely only have one name that is known to all.
I just mentioned it was stupid and frankly I find it to be an insult as a man and an expat where in a society that strongly follows male lineage to have a child take the last name of the woman. Koreans are laughing at you guys that do that and I have known a few guys that have been suckered into their children taking the Korean last name of their wife. Suckered in the way they were told it has to bea Korean last name and thus the woman's. Let's say you are a American woman and you are married to a Korean man. You have a child while living in the States. What would the Korean in-laws say/do if the child took the woman's last name (assuming they followed the Korean tradition of the wife keeping her own last name)? What would the Korean man's friends say? You already know the answer.
Now I ask, why should it be any different here?
I have no problems with Korean names. But any child that I help make is going to have my last name. If we decide on Mingi Chiavetta, fine by me.
(Now before you assume that I am some male pig, I am not. I cook and clean at home and lend a hand any way that I can. In all actuality, I would have no problem staying at home running the house while my wife worked). |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Like I said, it was not my original intent, though I'm looking on the bright side. The point you are making (which I originally held), is really the egocentric pride of all fathers in carrying on the family name. Can't do it with Korean names, as I'm not Korean. Oh well, bite the bullet and move on.
99% chance, when my daughter's of age to choose single citizenship, she'll choose her western name, and I'll have won  |
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taegu girl
Joined: 20 Apr 2004
Location: California
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Chiaa,
Actually my son does have 2 different names legally and has dual citizenship. It hasn't been a problem for us. We had thought about moving back to korea and wanted our son to have a normal name in both countries. But before he turns 18, he will have to choose one citizenship, so i guess he loses one of his legal names then.
But to each his own! |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Chiaa,
Actually my son does have 2 different names legally and has dual citizenship. It hasn't been a problem for us. We had thought about moving back to korea and wanted our son to have a normal name in both countries. But before he turns 18, he will have to choose one citizenship, so i guess he loses one of his legal names then.
But to each his own! |
I know lots of and lots of people where their children have two names and dual citizenship. I am just saying its not for me and what I think about it. What other people do is really none of my business. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Letty has - not something we had planned - but she has Letty as her first name, a western middle name and a Korean second middle name and surname as her legal name.
She was baptised Letty - middle name - surname, but when we went to apply for her passport with the Korean authority, they wouldn't allow using just Letty - middle name - surname, they said she must have her Korean name somewhere there as well..... So that's how she becamse Letty - middle - name - korean name - surname. We are leaving it the way it is, so it's the same for all her other documents and passports (HK and UK). A bit of a mouthful, but I imagine that she will simply be known, eventually, as Letty (Laetitia in full) C.H. Kim...... hmmmm I just realise that that's her daddy's initial C.H. Kim...
As to what she is called...... everyone calls her Letty except my mother in law and her dad (occasionally). She does not respond to her Korean name but they call her that anyway. |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Letty has - not something we had planned - but she has Letty as her first name, a western middle name and a Korean second middle name and surname as her legal name.
She was baptised Letty - middle name - surname, but when we went to apply for her passport with the Korean authority, they wouldn't allow using just Letty - middle name - surname, they said she must have her Korean name somewhere there as well..... So that's how she becamse Letty - middle - name - korean name - surname. We are leaving it the way it is, so it's the same for all her other documents and passports (HK and UK). A bit of a mouthful, but I imagine that she will simply be known, eventually, as Letty (Laetitia in full) C.H. Kim...... hmmmm I just realise that that's her daddy's initial C.H. Kim...
As to what she is called...... everyone calls her Letty except my mother in law and her dad (occasionally). She does not respond to her Korean name but they call her that anyway. |
So in other words the passport people required you to use her legal name as the name that shows up on the passport right? Or are you saying that the passport people changed her name? |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Chiaa, Letty is registered in her father's family registration in her Korean name.
When we applied for her Korean passport, they said that we must romanise her Korean name and make it a part of her English name. |
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biscuit
Joined: 07 Dec 2005
Location: Pusan
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:45 am Post subject: |
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I just named my daughter Jin Yeo and it seems to work ok for both an eastern and western name. It'd be pretty confusing I think to be using different names all the time...and a lot more work...
Tammy |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:44 am Post subject: |
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love that li'l biscuit in your avatar, biscuit!
our son has a Korean name that is also a western name, my last name is his middle name and a version of my husband's Korean family name are on his birth certificate (issued in the States) and US passport. on his Korean passport and in the registry the western middle name is omitted.
my daughter has her western name (1 first and 2 middle names for 9 syllables total) plus the same romanized last name my son uses, on her English birth certificate (issued here), and so her American passport, ss#, etc. shows the same. as with my son, the Korean registry shows her Korean name only.
in our immediate family, we use mostly Sofia, except her adjuma and halmoni say the other name. she answers to each name easily. they are both nice names.
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: |
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I don't see anything wrong with having two names. Some have suggested that it would create conflict and that one would always be superior. I think that tells more about the people such claims than anything else.
If you have a healthy home environment, it shouldn't be a problem. Personally, I would've thought it cool to have two names growing up. Kinda like a secret identity I could don when I wanted.
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