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Alyssa



Joined: 15 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:35 am    Post subject: Advice about men here........... Reply with quote

I know I have not been here long, but I just have a question...........how do you handle rude people? Since I have been here I have had men (from 24-60) bother me EVERYWHERE I go. I mean EVERYWHERE! Tonight was the last straw, one man followed me, he was about 40 something, and he kept asking me my name, I just ignored him, but he kept trying to give me some kind of business card or something. Yesterday the same thing happened and one man touched my hair. Just curious, but what do you do when this happens? Most restaurants I walk into have men who just continue to look at me, and sometimes come over and try to get to know me. I dont want to just eat alone in my place each day Rolling Eyes
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish the women in Korea were like that! I would not be complaining...unless they were old ajumas or something.

But I do understand that foreign women feel awkward by this sort of behaviour. I don't know why Korean men are so forward with foreign women. Perhaps it has something to do with their perceptions of white women from American movies. They believe they just want to have sex all the time or something.
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TOGirl



Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, when this used to happen to me I found that with the ones that just stare, if I said something to them they would be super shocked and stop looking at me maybe because they can't speak english.

As for the ones following you and touching your hair, if they are old men then this is a bit much and perhaps you need to learn some korean phrases like don't do that or go away or some swear words to get the message across.

While these men might think that white women just want sex like Big Mac said they might not be prepared for some white women assertiveness that says get away from me. Korean women are often submissive to this kind of behaviour (I think) so putting a Korean man in his place may send the message that they can't screw with you.

Good luck.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

key phrase

YA!! HAJIMA!!!
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like women fresh off the boat have more trouble than those that have been here a while, not sure why that is. Dressing a lot more conservatively than you might at home helps ( though it sucks)

A few useful phrases:

ya!(short and fast) gets attention and says you're a bit annoyed (you can use this one in the classroom too)

GA! ( short and fast) A slightly rude " go away!"
Byun tae pervert
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You gotta display a bit of a don't f* with me attuide a bit around here. Don't smile out in public as that seems to attract those type of people. Dress conservatively. Mention you have a husband (even if you are single). Use your classroom death stare on them. Leave the situation. That will get rid of 90% of unwanted attention, use the Yah! or byeongtae if they won't leave you alone.

A lot of middle age men have only been in contact with white women through films, or hookers so as such have a very warped view of us (kind of like madame butterfly back in the west for asian chicks). I had one guy go for my boobs infront of a women I can only assume was his wife. But learn to be less 'friendly' looking.
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two posts right before this are spot on. When I first came here strangers on the street would talk to me all the time. I have not had anyone on the street come up to me in years.

It all has to do with how you carry yourself and the look on your face.

If you are in a public place and some guy is bothering you, give him the once over and then just laugh. It will insult him enough that he should run away tail between his legs. Don't do this on a dark deserted street though Very Happy
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Big_Bird



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
Mention you have a husband (even if you are single).


This one never worked for me - even when I added that I was pregnant/just had a baby.

Worst example: An elderly Korean male acquaintance started groping me despite knowing full well I had a husband and was (at that time) 5 months pregnant. Previously he had often asked after my husband and how my pregnancy was progressing. He was also a Christian who wrote Christian articles for a newspaper! I didn't dare tell my husband what he'd done (my husband would have gone after him) but I told him he had tried to hold my hand and my husband rang him up and told him never to make contact with me again. That worked.
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Lemonade



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice about men here........... Reply with quote

Alyssa wrote:
I know I have not been here long, but I just have a question...........how do you handle rude people? Since I have been here I have had men (from 24-60) bother me EVERYWHERE I go. I mean EVERYWHERE! Tonight was the last straw, one man followed me, he was about 40 something, and he kept asking me my name, I just ignored him, but he kept trying to give me some kind of business card or something. Yesterday the same thing happened and one man touched my hair. Just curious, but what do you do when this happens? Most restaurants I walk into have men who just continue to look at me, and sometimes come over and try to get to know me. I dont want to just eat alone in my place each day Rolling Eyes


I think you should have posted this in the General Discussion section because this doesn't seem to be Job related.

What city do you live in? Sounds like you are in Seoul. I might as well live in a totally different country in my city because that kind of stuff is VERY unusual here in my city. Seoul is much different! Korean men are affraid to approach foreign women here. That's putting it lightly. I don't get stared at here. However, when I go to Seoul with my friends I notice a LOT of people staring and approaching us.

Hey, I eat alone a lot because there aren't many restaurants where I live and I don't like Korean food. I'm a good cook and I love my food. When I talk with my students about my food they start to drool and it's funny Laughing . I love to compare it to those stinky Korean beans I smell everywhere in Korean restaurants that make me loose my apetite and want to puke. What is that stuff they keep in a jar for a month that smells worse than a sewer? OMG ewww!!! So I'm saying that eating alone at home is not such a bad idea here!

As for how to deal with men. How old are you? If you are only in your early to mid twenties you still have a LOT to learn about how to deal with men. It's true that you can ask for your own problems based on how you dress and carry yourself. I dress conservative and I have a friendly but professional attitude. Men get the impression that if they are messing with me like that they better get ready for trouble because I have the wit of a Irish red head and rarely can a man compete with that. If you look like a pushover, you'll be treated accordingly. That being said, I had to kick a Korean guy's ass in a bar for putting his ass in my face while making a pool play shot. He had to learn to say "excuse me" the hard way. Wish I had a video camera that night!
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you blonde? Because if you are they might think you are a prostitute.
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Big_Bird



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ilovebdt wrote:
Are you blonde? Because if you are they might think you are a prostitute.


It's more about being a caucasian and possibly being mistaken for a Russian. A common complaint from other women (blonde and non-blonde) is Korean men asking them if they are Russian. It happened to me one time: guy brushes up against me and whispers "Rusky?"
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lately I've been getting Russian people ( both male and female) asking if I'm Russian, so I guess I've just got that look. There's a big difference between somone asking out of curiosity, and someone who thinks "Russian= prostitute"
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UncleAlex



Joined: 04 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject: Korean Males? Reply with quote

These cavemen who are harassing you are the biggest hypocrits among a
nation of them. They usually take offence and cast threatening looks at
foreign men who just look at a Korean woman because she's attractive;
yet we don't behave so bold as to touch their hair or any body part. If you
are an expert in akaido I suggest you snap a finger or dislocate a shoulder
the next time a caveman touches you. If you're a pacifist or have no skills
in self-defence then try carrying and opening one of those "jars that smell
like a sewer" to repel the accoster. But then it might not work on a Korean
man who must find that stench appetizing. It might even make him more
sexually aroused. Cool
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pet lover



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: not in Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the guy who collects cardboard in my area is from Peru. he asked if I was Russian with such a hopeful look and was visiby crushed when i said no. was so fuuny that i smiled which was all the encouragement he needed to think he still had a chance. it takes so very liittle for just about any guy...it seems. gotta work more on my sour old biddy expression. Very Happy
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Lemonade



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:14 am    Post subject: Re: Korean Males? Reply with quote

UncleAlex wrote:
If you're a pacifist or have no skills
in self-defence then try carrying and opening one of those "jars that smell
like a sewer" to repel the accoster
. But then it might not work on a Korean
man who must find that stench appetizing. It might even make him more
sexually aroused. Cool


LMAO Laughing
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