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TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject:

spinner wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

I used NetKorea and they were great.

On a related note in another thread you said that you would never use a Korean recruiter so why do you care?

(1) I don't, i'm just warning people of bad experiences. Some recruiters are good some are bad. Live with it. Just because you had a good experience doesn't mean everyone else did. When I spoke to them I found them completely unprofessional. Maybe we have different standards, but when a recruiter advertises a school to the mass, maybe they should include that female teachers are preferred, not lie to you after saying you're not good enough, because you're male. I find that sexist and inapporpriate. I know the culture is different and that's normal but I'm not going stand there and be lied to and made an idiot out of if I can avoid it.

When you post an add on Dave's for a job your supposed to specify the specifics like everyone else. They didn't. Than they came back to me trying to offer me a crap job. What am I going to say, they're great?
(2) I don't think so, and stop trying to excuse them because their from a different culture and you got a job off them. If they're good enough to make money off us than they should have some business saavy and proper etiquette when they deal with teachers from abroad. I don't have to hold their hand. This is simple professionalism. Do I hate them? NO..I would just never want to deal with them again.

(3) I would like to see your reaction if you had that experience so don't sit there thinking they are so great. Had the school not wanted you in the end who knows how NETKOREA would have handled it.

(4) Pal you got lucky, but don't speak for other people.

(numbers are mine)

1. If you acted towards them in the same way you act to replies on here, I can see why they acted the way they did.

2. No one is trying to excuse them, I merely pointed out MY experience. Don't presume to speak for me.

3. If the school had not wanted me, NetKorea assured me they would find me another job.

4. I am not speaking for others only speaking about MY experience.
But if it comes to that, there were about 50-60 other teachers at the orientation for public school teachers who also used NetKorea and seemed fairly happy with them.

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject:

I just read tons of public school jobs in the jobs area. Almost all of them are giving 2 weeks (and they aren't all Gyeonggi do). What the HECK are these idiots thinking. Giving an 4 (or even more) weeks is not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things (you can even still have a winter or summer camp) but giving only 2 will cause a lot of trouble. Idiots.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject:

laogaiguk wrote:

I just read tons of public school jobs in the jobs area. Almost all of them are giving 2 weeks (and they aren't all Gyeonggi do). What the HECK are these idiots thinking. Giving an 4 (or even more) weeks is not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things (you can even still have a winter or summer camp) but giving only 2 will cause a lot of trouble. Idiots.

How will this cause a lot of trouble? Hakwons give only ten days and 4 of those are weekends and I don't notice anybody saying THAT will cause trouble. We were hired to work, not take long vacations.

They are still better than hakwons in that (a) the vacations are longer (b) the pay is guarranted (c) if you want a long vacation you can usually strike a deal with the school about it. Some teachers have pointed out that they get about 4 weeks of vacation by making a deal with the school.

VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

We were hired to work, not take long vacations.

A benefit of hagwons: one can take months off inbetween contracts, especially when there are so many jobs.

I'm taking a four- to six-month vacation at the end of this contract in April.

spinner

Joined: 24 Jan 2006

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject:

To the TheUrbanMyth

Quote:

(numbers are mine)

Their mine now

1) You're not going to win in an arguement with me no matter how hard you try.

Quote:

If you acted towards them in the same way you act to replies on here, I can see why they acted the way they did.

2) First of all honesty is where it's at with me. I am simple polite to the point, and don't assume for me either because you never heard our conversations and you don't know me.

Quote:

No one is trying to excuse them, I merely pointed out MY experience. Don't presume to speak for me.

3) This thread started with me telling about my experiences, you are the one that trolled in here with this

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On a related note in another thread you said that you would never use a Korean recruiter so why do you care?

4) So I told you my answer now what's the problem?

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If the school had not wanted me, NetKorea assured me they would find me another job.

5) Yeah just like I stated at a hawkwon, and?

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I am not speaking for others only speaking about MY experience.
But if it comes to that,

6) Now is where you should have stopped but you have to keep shooting your mouth off in the bottom trying to discredit my claims because you were happy.

Quote:

there were about 50-60 other teachers at the orientation for public school teachers who also used NetKorea and seemed fairly happy with
them.

(and the grand finale)

Yeah lost souls who know nothing about teaching abroad, they would have been happy with a banana, just like you. Next time mind your own business state your claim and leave. Don't try to discredit my claim when you know nothing about it. Surely you know that all 50 or 60 teachers were happy right, where's your survey? You see how annoying things can be around here when you shoot your mouth off in my thread? Don't be annoying to others you have no proof, no claim, thank you and goodbye.

NetKorea sucks.

spinner

Joined: 24 Jan 2006

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject:

To laogaiguk

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Yes they are idiots, and until they wise up they will always have a shortage of teachers, don't worry they are only making life more difficult for themselves in the long run. Don't listen to Urbanmyth often he doesn't know what he's talking about and he's bored, and were talking really bored. He's a wannabe who hasn't found himself and is trying to be Korean.

Remember never trust a chameleon.

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:38 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

laogaiguk wrote:

On a bit of a rampage today, huh Smile

Obviously, you haven't read the numerous posts saying people will not resign because of the gyeonggi do issue. And to be honest, a good amount of hagwon teachers will take that crap because either they are new, they offer something much better with the low vacation, or to be honest, are crap teachers. I have seen a lot of these "teachers". Sorry, it's true. And new and crap teachers won't be able to handle large classes.

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A benefit of hagwons: one can take months off inbetween contracts, especially when there are so many jobs.

I'm taking a four- to six-month vacation at the end of this contract in April.

As for the being able to take long vacations between contracts, you don't get paid. I am talking about 4 to 8 weeks of PAID holiday. I don't really thing that is a good arguement against it...

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We were hired to work, not take long vacations.

And I love Korea and Koreans (Japan and Japanese too), but all work and no play make everyone a dull boy. Learning from other cultures is good, but aren't you taking on the wrong parts of it? You are one of the few Westerners to say that. Plus, I hope you are not suggesting I am being unprofessional???

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:01 am Post subject:

spinner wrote:

To the TheUrbanMyth

Quote:

(numbers are mine)

Their mine now

1) You're not going to win in an arguement with me no matter how hard you try.(A)

Quote:

If you acted towards them in the same way you act to replies on here, I can see why they acted the way they did.

2) First of all honesty is where it's at with me. I am simple polite to the point, and don't assume for me either because you never heard our conversations and you don't know me.(B)

Quote:

No one is trying to excuse them, I merely pointed out MY experience. Don't presume to speak for me.

3) This thread started with me telling about my experiences, you are the one that trolled in here with this(C)

Quote:

On a related note in another thread you said that you would never use a Korean recruiter so why do you care?

4) So I told you my answer now what's the problem?(D)

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If the school had not wanted me, NetKorea assured me they would find me another job.

5) Yeah just like I stated at a hawkwon, and?(E)

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I am not speaking for others only speaking about MY experience.
But if it comes to that,

6) Now is where you should have stopped but you have to keep shooting your mouth off in the bottom trying to discredit my claims because you were happy.(F)

Quote:

there were about 50-60 other teachers at the orientation for public school teachers who also used NetKorea and seemed fairly happy with
them.

(and the grand finale)

(G)Yeah lost souls who know nothing about teaching abroad, they would have been happy with a banana, just like you. Next time mind your own business state your claim and leave. Don't try to discredit my claim when you know nothing about it. Surely you know that all 50 or 60 teachers were happy right, where's your survey? You see how annoying things can be around here when you shoot your mouth off in my thread? Don't be annoying to others you have no proof, no claim, thank you and goodbye.

NetKorea sucks.

(Letters are mine)

A. We are not having an argument. You are saying stupid things and trolling and I am correcting you

B . No assumptions were made. I know what you are like from your posts on here aisainmind and it isn't good.

C. If you don't like it don't respond

D. You are the problem aisainmind

E. No at a public school. There you go assuming again.

F. Your claims (such as they are) have already been discredited. I don't need to do that, you do a very good job of that every time you post on these forums.

G. You are not that annoying. Don't flatter yourself. On a scale of 1-10 (1 being the least annoying) you are a zero.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:12 am Post subject:

laogaiguk wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

laogaiguk wrote:

(1)On a bit of a rampage today, huh Smile

Quote:

A benefit of hagwons: one can take months off inbetween contracts, especially when there are so many jobs.

I'm taking a four- to six-month vacation at the end of this contract in April.

As for the being able to take long vacations between contracts, you don't get paid. I am talking about 4 to 8 weeks of PAID holiday. I don't really thing that is a good arguement against it...

Quote:

We were hired to work, not take long vacations.

(2) And I love Korea and Koreans (Japan and Japanese too), but all work and no play make everyone a dull boy. Learning from other cultures is good, but aren't you taking on the wrong parts of it? You are one of the few Westerners to say that. Plus, I hope you are not suggesting I am being unprofessional???

(Numbers are mine)

1. Would you be so kind as to provide links to a couple of these threads where numberous posts have been made by people saying they will not re-sign? I've seen maybe half a dozen posts by people saying this. Hardly numberous, but then maybe I'm not looking in the correct threads.
As for class control you are quite likely right. But that is what the Korean co-teacher is for.

2. I'm not suggesting that you are being unprofessional, I hardly know you. I am simply pointing out THEIR viewpoint. See Saturday is a workday in Korea. We get 52 Saturdays plus 14 other workdays off. Obviously they think it's enough. It's not bad compared to back in the West where I was doing 44 hour weeks for less pay (after taxes and housing costs)

jacl

Joined: 31 Oct 2005

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:52 am Post subject:

I don't know about this weekend days being counted as part of your holidays at a hagwon. Maybe where you worked, UrbanMyth. How long have you been here? Anyway, I'll agree with you that hagwons give you less time to take off for holidays, but you get paid for them. If you're not an idiot.

jacl

Joined: 31 Oct 2005

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:55 am Post subject:

I mean, c'mon. I you're here for 5 years and the best you can get is 2.2 for a public school job then something is wrong.

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

1. Would you be so kind as to provide links to a couple of these threads where numberous posts have been made by people saying they will not re-sign? I've seen maybe half a dozen posts by people saying this. Hardly numberous, but then maybe I'm not looking in the correct threads.
As for class control you are quite likely right. But that is what the Korean co-teacher is for.

They are, but you can't really think I am going to find them all for you. They are not all in one thread. But for arguments sake, lets just take the six you said. That is more than enough to prove my point.

Quote:

2. I'm not suggesting that you are being unprofessional, I hardly know you. I am simply pointing out THEIR viewpoint. See Saturday is a workday in Korea. We get 52 Saturdays plus 14 other workdays off. Obviously they think it's enough. It's not bad compared to back in the West where I was doing 44 hour weeks for less pay (after taxes and housing costs)

OK, just playing devil's advocate then (you should prob say that though).

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject:

jacl wrote:

I mean, c'mon. I you're here for 5 years and the best you can get is 2.2 for a public school job then something is wrong.

Actually I make 2.4 for a public school job. And that's fine. I'd rather have the free time then work 50 hours a week making money. Quality of life and doing what you enjoy (teaching) is more important than working 2-3 jobs. At least it is for me anyway.

jacl

Joined: 31 Oct 2005

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:01 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

jacl wrote:

I mean, c'mon. I you're here for 5 years and the best you can get is 2.2 for a public school job then something is wrong.

How do you know I was talking about you? Laughing

Seriously though, you could legally make 4 million teaching a 6-hour block. I'm thinking about doing it and I've only been here for a year. I guess the vacation would suck, but think about the quid. Hmm.

Oh well. I'm pretty comfy where I am too. Sometimes it's better the devil you know.

spinner

Joined: 24 Jan 2006

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth

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(Letters are mine)

A) Their mine now Smile

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We are not having an argument. You are saying stupid things and trolling and I am correcting you

B) Haha you correcting who? Go back to school brother. You trolled into my thread thank you.

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No assumptions were made. I know what you are like from your posts on here aisainmind and it isn't good.

C) Where are the 50 or 60 teachers that all loved NETKOREA? I'm still waiting to here from them until than it's heresay! That's assuming!

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If you don't like it don't respond

D) Who started this thread again? Hmm thought so!

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You are the problem aisainmind

E) ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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No at a public school. There you go assuming again.

F) Yes public school public school

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Your claims (such as they are) have already been discredited.

G) *snores..what claims? The only one who made claim was you! Everyone loves NETKOREA! lol

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I don't need to do that, you do a very good job of that every time you post on these forums.

H) ZZZZzzzzzzz

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You are not that annoying. Don't flatter yourself. On a scale of 1-10 (1 being the least annoying) you are a zero.

I) C'mon is that the way you treat your P.I.M.P ?

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