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| If you could have the same benefits as in Korea where would you rather go? |
| Japan |
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15% |
[ 7 ] |
| China |
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8% |
[ 4 ] |
| Hong Kong |
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15% |
[ 7 ] |
| Thailand |
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32% |
[ 15 ] |
| Taiwan |
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8% |
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| Vietnam |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Singapore |
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19% |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Ancient Greece
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 Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: Where would you go? |
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| So, if these other countries offered the same benefits as most jobs in Korea i.e. free flight, free accommodation, similar level of pay, severance bonus etc where would you go? Why? |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Singapore - beautiful modern city, nice food and lifestyle. Close to other countries and no real dangerous enemies. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| plato's republic wrote: |
| So, if these other countries offered the same benefits as most jobs in Korea i.e. free flight, free accommodation, similar level of pay, severance bonus etc where would you go? Why? |
Assuming this poll is open to non-ESLers, I'd probably pick Japan. The rest would be quite far behind. In order: Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, China, Vietnam.
Why? Familiarity first of all, as well as a personal affinity for the culture/climate/food/people.
Now, my questions.
1. Does "similar level of pay" mean roughly what you're earning in Korean Won would be converted into that country's currency? In such case, that could be very bad news for many people if they're in Japan, or good news if they're in Vietnam or China.
Or, do you mean "similar level" in the sense that, let's say you're earning the average urban household income in Korea (3.3 million won/month), and you would also be earning the average (whatever it may be) in whichever country you go to? That's fine if you're in Japan or Singapore, but ghastly if you're in Vietnam or China, and fairly grim in Thailand, too.
So which is it?
2. Just curious. I realise this is aimed at teachers and I don't know much about the global ESL market, but why did you limit the options to East Asian countries?
| Summer Wine wrote: |
| Singapore - beautiful modern city, nice food and lifestyle. Close to other countries and no real dangerous enemies. |
I'm not criticising your choice, by no means. I can understand how Singapore would be the ideal choice for many people. But if you'll pardon my asking, are you female? I ask this because I wonder how many of the (youngish) menfolk on Dave's would cite "beautiful modern" cities as a key attraction or must-have in their selection of a foreign locale. And the mention of security ("no real dangerous enemies") also bespeaks the good, sound, practical reasoning common among the fairer sex.
Having said this, I can only imagine that I have probably offended you, whatever your gender.  Please know that I didn't intend to. I think I'm hopelessly chauvinistic at times. Well, at least I can honest about my many shortcomings. |
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deessell
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Thailand for its relaxed atmosphere, islands and food. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thailand because they have real food, not: rice, kimchee, grass clippings and seaweed soup for every friggin' meal. 
Thailand because they have better weather... yeah,yeah... I know Korea has four friggin' seasons!
Thailand because I could go into a room, close the doors and windows, and turn on a fan without dieing.
Thailand because of the girls. 
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
| ...and no real dangerous enemies. |
No, only imaginary dangerous enemies. |
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cypher
Joined: 08 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| Where is 'none of the above'? I'd be off to south america in a flash. |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Ancient Greece
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:58 am Post subject: |
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The reason I only included asian destinations is because most of the users on this forum are teaching in Korea or elsewhere in asia. Personally I'd say Japan, HK or maybe Thailand for the weather and beaches.
As far as similar level of pay, I mean if you were earning the same amount of money that you earn here in that particular country. Don't forget you would be getting a free round trip flight and free accommodation. So if you did choose Japan, even though it is prohibitively expensive, with free accommodation thrown in most people would be more than able to live on the equivalent of around 2.0-2.3 million Won a month in Japanese Yen.
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Snowmeow
Joined: 03 Oct 2005
Location: pc room
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| edited... no idea what I was thinking when I wrote that. Yeah, Thailand. |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Hong Kong or Japan. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Jongno
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| Having said this, I can only imagine that I have probably offended you, whatever your gender. Please know that I didn't intend to. I think I'm hopelessly chauvinistic at times. Well, at least I can honest about my many shortcomings. |
No offence. I am a Male, but the reason that I chose Singapore and maybe KL is that it is a very clean and efficient city. It has in the older section the type of nightlife, restaurants that I like. I liked the Philippines, but certain things may get tiring after a while.
As to the quote by a writer with rolling eyes. Singapore does have a rivalry in the region, but it is not as serious as the one between NK and SK, China and Japan. I was using the term real in terms of destructive power relations rather than in terms of illusion/reality terms. |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Ancient Greece
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I forgot to put Malaysia or the Phillipines in there. Feel free to explain why you would choose your particular destination. |
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Colorado
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Public School with too much time on my hands.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: Thailand perspective |
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| I'm in Thailand now, but relocating with my Thai wife to a public school job in Korea at the end of the month. I work at a boarding school here in the rural Northeast, make about $800 a month with free housing, laundry service and meals at school (Thai cafeteria food and after 2 years I'm pretty tired of it) Still there are good inexpensive restaurants nearby and we can get there on bicycles. I teach 15 hours a week. It's a good job and a quiet town, but I wouldn't want to die here and it's time to move on while I still can. I hope to save some $ working in Korea and return to Thailand in a couple of years to retire. Anyway, my job's available if you want to make the jump. You'd have to get here on your own though, none of that free airfare here. It's an all night train ride from Bangkok, not far from Cambodia and Laos. The students are good. Lazy but respectful. It's a good life and I do plan to return to it. |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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"Singapore versus Korea."
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| One of the intangible advantages of Singapore over Korea is their respective self-images and self-perceptions. In short, Singaporeans seem blessed with no trace of colonial ``han,���� the feeling of injustice and grief that so gnaw at the Korean heart. Everywhere, the legacy of British colonialism is evident in street and building names, and in the subconscious notions of rule-bound and rational life. Colonialism is played out without bitterness or grievances so that one almost suspects over-romanticization of the past. Indeed, at popular tourist spots one sees numerous brass sculptures depicting the former British masters and local coolies engaged in friendly chitchats or business transactions. The famed colonial ruler, Sir Raffles, is everywhere in statues and in public place names, and has even been officially designated as the ``Founder of Modern Singapore.���� (Can one imagine Koreans naming the former Japanese governor-general of Korea its modern founder and naming public places after him?) Unlike Koreans, Singaporeans do not suffer the nightmares of the past. For them, there is another business day of today and tomorrow. While Korea goes through a wretched process of reconciling with its colonial past, the ghost of its past in ``han,���� Singapore serenely counts its receipts and plans future expansions. |
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200601/kt2006012520312354300.htm |
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Lemonade
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| Summer Wine wrote: |
| ...and no real dangerous enemies. |
No, only imaginary dangerous enemies. |
 good one. lol |
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