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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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WOW! Anti-pep rap of the lowest order.
To the op. Sorry to hear of this happening to you. ESL Law is a good place to start for info. contact them so as to establish where you can go from here.
Your recruiters lip-service is great for solidarity needed at the moment. Some things you will inquire about with ESL-Law is: pension payments; taxation; lost wages, etc.
There's also a possibility that the owner pocketed your deductions, this site and ESL Law can give you the contact no's for these dept(the K-IRS does not tippy-toe with tax evasion; think lightening raid with black cars, black suits, sunglasses. Had a friend see it happen once when a hogwan owner claimed for non-business related expenses. He(owner) was shell-shocked;creative acccounting and lip-service don't work with the man).
Most koreans working close with foreigner money(yours) are only too happy to see people leave as the free spending can start without repurcussions. See if ESL-Law have a few nifty ditties to biff at that sob in abscentia.
If you decide to work in Korea some time in future, get a promise from the friend with your stuff to store it for you on your return.
Hope things get better for you two concerning this destabilizing experience. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:44 am Post subject: |
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WOW! Anti-pep rap of the lowest order.
To the op. Sorry to hear of this happening to you. ESL Law is a good place to start for info. contact them so as to establish where you can go from here.
Your recruiters lip-service is great for solidarity needed at the moment. Some things you will inquire about with ESL-Law is: pension payments; taxation; lost wages, etc.
There's also a possibility that the owner pocketed your deductions, this site and ESL Law can give you the contact no's for these dept. The K-IRS does not tippy-toe with tax evasion; think lightening raid with black cars, black suits, sunglasses. Had a friend see it happen once when a hogwan owner claimed for non-business related expenses. He(owner) was shell-shocked;creative acccounting and lip-service don't work with the man.
Most koreans working close with foreigner money(yours) are only too happy to see people leave as the free spending can start without repurcussions. See if ESL-Law have a few nifty ditties to biff at that sob in abscentia.
If you decide to work in Korea some time in future, get a promise from the friend with your stuff to store it for you on your return.
Hope things get better for you two concerning this destabilizing experience. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:45 am Post subject: |
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WOW! Anti-pep rap of the lowest order.
To the op. Sorry to hear of this happening to you. ESL Law is a good place to start for info. contact them so as to establish where you can go from here.
Your recruiters lip-service is great for solidarity needed at the moment. Some things you will inquire about with ESL-Law is: pension payments; taxation; lost wages, etc.
There's also a possibility that the owner pocketed your deductions, this site and ESL Law can give you the contact no's for these depts
. The K-IRS does not tippy-toe with tax evasion; think lightening raid with black cars, black suits, sunglasses. Had a friend see it happen once when a hogwan owner claimed for non-business related expenses. He(owner) was shell-shocked;creative acccounting and lip-service don't work with the man.
Most koreans working close with foreigner money(yours) are only too happy to see people leave as the free spending can start without repurcussions. See if ESL-Law have a few nifty ditties to biff at that sob in abscentia.
If you decide to work in Korea some time in future, get a promise from the friend with your stuff to store it for you on your return.
Hope things get better for you two concerning this destabilizing experience. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| you allowed yourself to get done up the rear royally. He pretty much can't do any of the things he is threatening you with. All you need is some back bone to stand up to the guy. Take him up on his challange of taking this to the labour board. if you do he will be in trouble. Also report him to the local tax office. he probably isn't paying his taxes. Get a student list if you have one. take it with you if you go. he's probably under reporting his student numbers. THe more students the more taxes he is supposed to pay. |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Do Foreigners have Human Rights, in Korea? |
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I thought, there must be no JUSTICE in Korea because he welcomed me to complain to the Labor Board without any fear of reprimand. I spent the entire night packing and looking for flights to America. Unfortunately, I did not have the opportunity to say farewell to some of my wonderful students.
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Before I gave my director the key; I asked him for a "release letter" but he refused and he said that I MUST leave Korea immediately because he has reported me as a fugitive to immigration.
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Unfortunately, I don't think much can be done since I am no longer in Korea so, I do not think about recovering from my losses (reimbursement for airfare, monthly salary, overtime, severance pay, etc).
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Last, after teaching my last class (9:30 p.m.) on 2 February he had made his final decision to immediately terminate my employment. I agreed to his DEMAND to move out of my apartment and give him the key at 10:00 a.m.; in exchange for my full monthly salary (minus a few minor expenses).
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I feel foreigners have very few Human Rights!!! |
These are all thing you were completely wrong to do, accept, whatever. Some of these show a complete lack of thought, especially where the director said he reported you as a fugitive to immigration, and you must leave immediately. What did you do to leave the country? Swim out? Get smuggled out on a NORK submarine?Obviously, you left by the normal means. Didn't you worry about being stopped at immigration and jailed? If he had really reported you, this was just idiotic, flee the country and make yourself look guilty. It makes me seriously doubt the whole story on this one point alone. Either you are unable to put two simple facts together and come away with a reasonable conclusion, or the lobotomy was a success. Something stinks here. |
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Homer
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I agree with most in here that:
a) This situation the OP is in is sad and the school cheated/conned him.
b) He or she basically let it happen to him through ignorance, lazyness (concerning doing his homework on labour laws) and or being gullible.
C) There are no "Human rights" violations here...that claim is just there for show and shock value.
Does he deserve sympathy?
In a way he does. Does he deserve sympathy because he is a fellow waeguk? Not as far as I am concerned. What is this supposed fraternity of weaguks that keeps coming up?
He is in a mess due to some shaddy creep of a boss but he played a role in this mess by seemingly being gullible to an extent or not bothering to check what recourses he had here.... |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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How could anyone be that stupid. I think this whole thing is a troll from the same poster who was talking about how unbelievalbe 8% taxes were on a job offer he got.
People shouldn't be so damn naive.
The way I look at it is that if some boss were to avoid paying me for services provided, especially if I'm working legally, this person is threatening my life and my well being. This is not taken lightly.
These owners act like the average person does towards paying bills or paying parents back for money borrowed. From low to high scale in that they just don't want to part with money at the moment or not at all.
I can't believe what happened to the OP. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| OP, the people who work at the labor board have seen and heard all the horror stories. They have to be impartial, but they are more than happy to take your side if your boss broke the law. You need to call the Korean consulate or embassy in your country to file a formal complaint. Your boss broke so many laws, he's bound to get nailed for something. Make sure you give the the contact information of your Korean friend as she can attest to the circumstances in which you left. |
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vox
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: Jeollabukdo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: taxes |
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OP,
Don't let jaded posters here distract you. Here is some real information you can work with:
-the Korean Embassy/Consul in your country can't help you most likely, but the National Tax Service in Korea can. They have a foreign worker and he is really interested in legitimate cases highlighting possible tax fraud. I know because he has helped me. His English is poor so you have to be careful/economic with your words, you must be **calm** but concerned and persistent in your speech, and have your facts straight when you talk to him. Ask for Tony at the NTS (397-1447)at Korean Income Tax Department, International Tax Resource Management Division or call (02)397-1446 for information on local tax laws. I spoke the right way to him and the man made a call while I was on the phone, fixed the matter, and even invited me to callback and ask for him if I got any more new information.
You should assemble all the facts before you call and be concise. The man can not move fast on English.
The other thing you should do is consult the Korean Income Tax Guide for Foreigners as well as your country's tax treaty (check your country's external affairs or the link below for links) and figure out all the wrongs he did.
http://www.nts.go.kr/eng/default.html
Dude will kick his ass. Just do your homework before calling. You may even get some money back.
Just as with any negotiation, you really need to do your homework before going in. Most people are poor negotiators because they never learn to develop their Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement (if he screws me what can I do? If he stalls what can I do? If he threatens what can I do? etc.etc.etc.) There are answers to all of these and more but it takes time. The reward however for taking that time is that you are always in a position of strength.
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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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I can verify this is not a troll. It happened.
As for gulibility: well yes. Don't forget these hogwon bosses have been dealing with (to) us forieners for years. They have had the practice. They also have groups that met and discuss how to handle problems. For Coldriser, his hogwon is part of a small chain with many collective years of manipulation/problem solving. For Coldriser this was his first time at it.
He got screwed by someone with lots of experience; give him a break. Gloating over his situation is not nice. A little simpathy would be nice.
Remember, there but for the grace of some unknown and impossible to prove existance of a non-entity go you or I. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| he got screwed over by people with experience. But that doesnt mean his human rights were violated or that Korea doesnt respect human rights. He go taken for a ride by a conman. Thats all. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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Trafficking of English Teachers?
"... Speak to most native-speakers teaching English here and they will have a multitude of firsthand experiences or have knowledge of coercion, intimidation, non- or under-payment of wages, withholding of passports and/or university testamonials, fraudulent deduction of money for non-existent health insurance, turning off heat and water supplies to apartments should teachers threaten action with the authorities, and many, many more such incidences.... Korea and the various consular representatives here need to wake up to reality...."
by Chris Brockie, Korea Times (March 17, 2006)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200603/kt2006031716054754060.htm |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:42 am Post subject: |
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RR...the article you posted does not even support its own title!
Trafficking of teachers? What planet do you live on?
Go and find some pay scale for nuclear scientists at NASA and then post it to show how underpaid you are because you should be paid along similar lines... |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Actually, I found that article unusually well written for the paper.
I especially liked:
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| In legal terms, a contract is an agreement between two or more parties of equal standing. There must be an offer, acceptance of that offer with mutual consent and each party must benefit. It can be formal, informal, written, oral or just plain understood. There must also be `consideration���� _ something for something - which in British and American law has slightly different meanings. Nonetheless, consideration must be present if the promissory aspect of a contract is to be enforceable. |
(BTW, there is no such thing as British law, it is English law, upon which American law is founded. But that does not detract from the meaning.)
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I completely agree with this comment:
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| this person is threatening my life and my well being |
I have a family and kids and by getting screwed with money is the same as robbing my kids. Heaven help that person, cause I won't.
Look, don't rely on EFL Law (an information source) to do your work, nor the embassy. Get the contacts for the Labor office and call them. There is no reason also why you cannot find yourself a labor lawyer. Let that lawyer get them on the tax issue plus all else.
You were seriously uninformed. Be proactive next time. |
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