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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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True Islam Unmasked
By Barbara J. Stock
2006/02/08
The Islamic Pandora��s Box has been opened and no amount of energy spent trying to push the true face of Islam back in will be successful. The inherent violence, intolerance, and inbred anger of Islam is now out for all to see. The world is watching and the ��handful of terrorists who have high-jacked a peaceful religion�� doesn��t pass the ��laugh test�� any longer.
An Islamic mob of over 500 marched through the streets of Knightsbridge , England , chanting, ��Massacre those who insult Islam!�� and issued warnings of further terror attacks by screaming, " Britain , you will pay, 7/7 on its way." Embassies have been burned. Nearly 50,000 Muslims took to the streets in Sudan chanting, ��"We are ready to die in defense of you our beloved prophet." A Catholic priest has been killed, and churches burned. These people are not ��terrorists,�� but supposedly the average peace-loving Muslim. It doesn��t seem take much to turn a ��peaceful�� Muslim into a rampaging killer.
All of this chaos and destruction is over a few editorial cartoons.
The threats of kidnappings, riots, and boycotts are coming from Muslims all over the world. Diplomatic action against Denmark has been recommended by the Egyptian ambassador. Muslims in Norway are trying to pass laws that anything short of praise for Islam should be considered blasphemy and severely punished. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) felt it had the right to dictate to the president of the United States concerning which terms would be acceptable when referring to Islam in the State of the Union Address.
Islamic hysteria is in full voice to bend the world to Islam��s will. Of course, Islam never considers as blasphemy the daily insults to Jews or Christians. Papers all over the Middle East and on the Islamic web sites display cartoons depicting Jews and Christians as pigs and monkeys and as murderous infidels butchering children with swords in the shape of a swastika. Cartoons showing the attack on America on 9/11 are very popular. Apparently, the death of 3000 people is not something Islam finds offensive.
Muslims lose touch with reality after being brought to a fever pitch by the imams and mullahs, especially during Friday prayers. Men often explode out of the mosque looking for someone to kill to ease their Islamic rage against an infidel world. Muslims feel Islam has been slighted and the world must pay. If these raging Muslims can��t find the guilty person to punish, any non-Muslim in their path will do.
What constitutes an insult to Islam? Basically, any non-Muslim is an insult to Islam. If someone does not believe that Mohammed was a prophet, that is considered an insult in Islam. Uttering any doubts that the Quran is not a perfect book written by God through Mohammed, is considered an insult to Islam. Depicting any picture of Mohammed is considered an insult to Islam. It doesn��t take much to trigger mass hysteria and Islamic mobs screaming, ��Death to the world.��
The artists who made the editorial cartoons that have set off this hate-fest are now in hiding, fearing that they will end up as Theo Van Gogh who had his throat slit and a knife left sticking out of his chest on a public street in broad daylight. Islam will not forget. These cartoonists are now dead-men-walking and they know that carefree walks in park are now a thing of the past.
An interesting twist is that a Jordanian newspaper also published the cartoons and the editor was promptly arrested. Mr. Momani stated that he wanted Muslims to stop and think about how the world is now viewing Islam. The poor man asked the leaders of Islam to be reasonable. As a Muslim himself, he should have known better. This brave editor pleaded: "What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman ?"
As a Muslim, Mr. Momani should have realized that in the eyes of Islam the beheaders and bombers are heroes who praise Allah with their good work. But a cartoon with Mohammed claiming paradise is running out of virgins is an unforgivable sin. Butchers of innocent hostages are held in high esteem in Islam but a leader in the new Hamas government of the Palestinians had this to say to an Italian paper about the cartoons: ��The cartoonists should be punished by death.��
Let��s summarize. Slit a man��s throat in the name of Allah for no reason at all—good work and Allah is pleased. Draw a cartoon about Islam—this is punishable by death. That, in a nutshell, is Islam.
The Syrian government has claimed that all the destruction could have been avoided if the Danish government had apologized for the terrible sin against Islam. While the paper that originally publish the cartoons has done just that, the Danish government refuses to cave in to Islamic threats. Nor should they.
In truth, no one should cower because of Islamic threats. The Danes have done nothing to apologize for and should stand their ground as should all the countries who have published the cartoons. In fact, The Danes and every country around the world should continue to publish them to show the world��s solidarity against Islam and for freedom of speech. Sooner or later, the daily staged rage-riots will exhaust Islam and force it to realize that Islam does not give orders to the world.
If there is anything good to come from all of the fury Islamics have put on full display for the world, it is that passive people, especially those in Europe , have now been witness to true Islam. We have all seen the terrorist arm of Islam while the gullible continued to cling to the idea that Islam is peaceful and accepting and tolerant. It is none of those things. Islam demands acceptance while accepting nothing. Islam demands tolerance while giving none. Islam claims it only wants peace in the world while starting wars and rioting and killing at the slightest perceived insult. Horrified Islamic religious leaders will attempt to downplay the violence knowing Islam has exposed its hateful nature, but it is too late.
At last, true Islam has shown its face to the world, and this time the world was watching.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/BarbaraStock60208.htm |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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I well remember the behaviour of such people after July 7th, telling all and sundry about the possible 'backlash' against muslims, rather than worrying about more atrocities being carried out by their co-religionists.
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Well, if the point is to prevent further bombings, the statement "this is bad for Muslims" is probably the most effective thing to say. Because someone who is thinking about becoming a suicide bomber probably doesn't care about the lives of innocent civilians.
And anyway, you are lying when you say that Muslim leaders did not condemn the 7/7 bombings as wrong in and of themselves.
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Deepest sympathy is expressed at the death and suffering which the series of coordinated attacks in London has caused to the families and loved ones who have been the victims of this terrible atrocity.
This criminal attack is condemned in the strongest possible terms. No good purpose can be achieved by such an indiscriminate and cruel use of terror.
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Islam considers the use of terrorism to be unacceptable for any purpose. Any individual or group that claims that these heinous actions serve as a redress for legitimate grievances is dreadfully mistaken. MPAC condemns the exploitation of people and issues, regardless of the perpetrators and their justifications. This assault is unmistakably an act of terrorism, an attack against humanity.
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The Canadian Muslim Congress condmned not only Muslim terrorists, but their Muslims defenders:
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Reacting to reports that Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility for the bombings, Tarek Fatah, communications director of the MCC, said, "For too long the Al-Qaeda and its apologists among the Muslim community have been holding the Muslim world hostage. This is crime against humanity."
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And, just to show you what a kind-hearted guy I am Bigverne, I'll even do you the kindness of writing your response for you:
Those people you quoted are not expressing their true thoughts, and even if they were they are not representative of Muslims in general. Only the guy in my avatar, and those like him, speak on behalf of Muslims. This is so because I say it is. |
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Gorgias
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Maybe someone who is more of a comedian can do something better. Post your's below! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:52 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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The fact that we get a whole lotta nuthin' from them leads me to believe that they're sympathetic to the cause of their Muslim brothers. They aren't hardcore enough to participate, but they don't hinder, either. The only time they speak out is when there is a danger of reprisals to the Muslim populace. "It's important for everyone to understand that these people do not represent Islam. We are a religion of peace," Blah blah blah. So where were these peaceful Muslims when the terrorists are being recruited in the mosques in their neighborhood. Why aren't they speaking out against the message of hate and intolerance that is constantly spewing out from Imams all over the world. Either they're nodding they're head in agreement or hiding with their head in the sand. They're worthless, one way or the other.
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That's human nature sadly. If the leadership and authority figures are encouraging that behavior, which is the case in Muslim countries and neigbborhoods, people won't feel compelled to speak out.
I certainly wouldn't single out Muslims out for that kind of behavior. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| And anyway, you are lying when you say that Muslim leaders did not condemn the 7/7 bombings as wrong in and of themselves. |
I never said they did not condemn the 7/7 bombings. What I said was that there overwhelming concern was with an 'Islamophobic' backlash that never happened, while the rest of us were worrying about how to prevent another attack. Moreover, events since the bombing have shown them to be far more concerned about the rights of Islamic extremists than the security of the UK. They only become concerned when they realise that the mask of Islam is slipping, and that infidels may be seeing it for what it is, but make no mistake, many of these fake 'moderates' are Shariah supporting, Jew hating bigots, and in that sense at least, they are quite representative of the wider muslim community, as opinion polls show. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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Apparently, there will be a march this weekend in London organised by various muslim groups to protest against the cartoons which were not even published in the UK. Some muslims groups are calling for a change in the law so that their beloved prophet cannot be insulted. So, once again British society is being asked to make concessions for a thin skinned minority with a persecution complex.
If you can't held the rough and tumble of a free society (and yes, that means you'll have to take the insults like the rest of us), then kindly f$ck off to a muslim country where you do have laws against that kind of thing. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| And anyway, you are lying when you say that Muslim leaders did not condemn the 7/7 bombings as wrong in and of themselves. |
I never said they did not condemn the 7/7 bombings. What I said was that there overwhelming concern was with an 'Islamophobic' backlash that never happened, while the rest of us were worrying about how to prevent another attack.
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I agree. It would be good to see some agonising and soul-searching. Someone should be saying 'There is something very wrong with our community if it can produce killers like this and we need to take a good long look at ourselves.'. That would be a 'liberal' Muslim response to 7/7. Perhaps they're too used to playing the minority victim role.
Muslim leaders in Britain have, however, condemned the recent protesters in London and implied that they wouldn't be sorry to see them arrested.
And of course there are moderate Muslims. Here's a recent photo of protesters:
Makes a nice change from the usual angry mobs. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
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I agree. It would be good to see some agonising and soul-searching. Someone should be saying 'There is something very wrong with our community if it can produce killers like this and we need to take a good long look at ourselves.'. That would be a 'liberal' Muslim response to 7/7. Perhaps they're too used to playing the minority victim role.
Muslim leaders in Britain have, however, condemned the recent protesters in London and implied that they wouldn't be sorry to see them arrested.
And of course there are moderate Muslims. Here's a recent photo of protesters:
Makes a nice change from the usual angry mobs. |
The picture really isn't any different the the other protesters. The comics are not abuse, anymore the a satires of Bush or Blair or Christ are abuse. It is just what they're saying they're not "afraid" of: Criticism.
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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In response to the statement that the majority of Muslims are peaceful:
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| Normally, I would agree with you, but we've been hearing this mantra from muslims for years and it's getting old. Okay, so extremists only make up roughtly 1% of the Muslim population. So where n'hell are all the peaceful ones going? What are they doing? Why do they allow this radical fringe to constantly take over and control their image and religion? Clearly they outnumber the radicals. |
Well, first off you might go live in a Muslim country.
Why do pro-lifers tolerate abortion clinic bombers?
Why do environmentalists tolerate eco-terrorists?
I'm not sure they do. Nor am I sure that they have the onus put on them to deal with extremists. As a white person, it's not my personal duty to deal with white supremecists. It is the job of the state to deal with criminal activity.
As such, I believe that the torchings of those embassies could've been prevented. They were allowed to happen. It reflects poorly on the states involved. It could even be construed as an endorsement.
Still, what you are doing is pinning the blame on millions of people who aren't directly involved in these incidents. Your sensational backtalk is more akin to language the extremists would use than someone who isn't themself extreme.
Rather than finding a rational solution, you are begging for enemies.
Maybe the torchers are too.
But that just makes two bands of mukluks. |
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Gorgias
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
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OK, I think this one is a little better:
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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In response to the statement that the majority of Muslims are peaceful:
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| Normally, I would agree with you, but we've been hearing this mantra from muslims for years and it's getting old. Okay, so extremists only make up roughtly 1% of the Muslim population. So where n'hell are all the peaceful ones going? What are they doing? Why do they allow this radical fringe to constantly take over and control their image and religion? Clearly they outnumber the radicals. |
Well, first off you might go live in a Muslim country.
Why do pro-lifers tolerate abortion clinic bombers?
Why do environmentalists tolerate eco-terrorists?
I'm not sure they do. Nor am I sure that they have the onus put on them to deal with extremists. As a white person, it's not my personal duty to deal with white supremecists. It is the job of the state to deal with criminal activity.
As such, I believe that the torchings of those embassies could've been prevented. They were allowed to happen. It reflects poorly on the states involved. It could even be construed as an endorsement.
Still, what you are doing is pinning the blame on millions of people who aren't directly involved in these incidents. Your sensational backtalk is more akin to language the extremists would use than someone who isn't themself extreme.
Rather than finding a rational solution, you are begging for enemies.
Maybe the torchers are too.
But that just makes two bands of mukluks. |
Slight difference. White supremecists have neither the voice, nor the power that radical muslims do. In the US we view them as ignorant, backwards, often redneck country bumpkins. In most places, except the deep south, we tolerate them only because we have to by law. Most of their rhetoric falls under the haven of free speech. No one outside their own warped circle thinks they speak for the majority of anyone. The same with eco-terrorists and abortion nuts. They are a very small fringe minority of a small minority to begin with. Well, except for pro-lifers, you get them anywhere you get a baptist church.
On the other hand, we have radical muslims in countries all over the world either carrying out violent acts or threatening violent acts and sometimes holding entire governments hostage. Not exactly the same thing. And I'm not blaming the so called "peaceful" muslims for the acts of violence, I'm blaming them for allowing it to happen. If they truly do condem the terrorists and truly want to expose and stop them, then they could do it in a heartbeat. These people need to take control of their stuff. No one thinks that the KKK is representative of white people. But as with all cartoon crap going on, people dying and torching buildings over a image, there seems to be no control in the Muslim world except for what the extremists dictate. As the saying goes, "Evil thrives when good men do nothing."
They do a whole lot of nuthin'.
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The Lemon
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| And I'm not blaming the so called "peaceful" muslims for the acts of violence, I'm blaming them for allowing it to happen. If they truly do condem the terrorists and truly want to expose and stop them, then they could do it in a heartbeat. |
Really? So easily? Say you live in Ipoh, Malaysia. You're Muslim. You're against violence of any kind and consider what the jihadists are doing to be a perversion of your religion. Shoot - you don't even consider them Muslim.
You're a peaceful person - maybe a teacher - and have lots of Chinese, Indian, and Western friends. You are in agreement with all your Muslim and non-Muslim friends, who all view the extremists to be a mortal threat to your religion, your nation, and the world. And you're not shy in saying so.
Is it fair that you in Ipoh, Malaysia, should be blamed for what these guys in Syria, Lebanon, or (closer to home) Bali, are doing?
This is what you've just said.
If so, what do you expect Mr. Teacher in Ipoh, Malaysia, to do "in a heartbeat" so he won't have to shoulder the blame being placed on him by some guy on a Korean english teaching message board, just because he happens to be Muslim? |
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Bulsajo
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| I thought we warned you about this before, Lemon- using logic is no fair! |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| The Lemon wrote: |
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| And I'm not blaming the so called "peaceful" muslims for the acts of violence, I'm blaming them for allowing it to happen. If they truly do condem the terrorists and truly want to expose and stop them, then they could do it in a heartbeat. |
Really? So easily? Say you live in Ipoh, Malaysia. You're Muslim. You're against violence of any kind and consider what the jihadists are doing to be a perversion of your religion. Shoot - you don't even consider them Muslim.
You're a peaceful person - maybe a teacher - and have lots of Chinese, Indian, and Western friends. You are in agreement with all your Muslim and non-Muslim friends, who all view the extremists to be a mortal threat to your religion, your nation, and the world. And you're not shy in saying so.
Is it fair that you in Ipoh, Malaysia, should be blamed for what these guys in Syria, Lebanon, or (closer to home) Bali, are doing?
This is what you've just said.
If so, what do you expect Mr. Teacher in Ipoh, Malaysia, to do "in a heartbeat" so he won't have to shoulder the blame being placed on him by some guy on a Korean english teaching message board, just because he happens to be Muslim? |
Instead of Bali, Syria or Lebanon, how about Kuala Lumpur?
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In Malaysia's biggest protest against the caricatures, some 3,000 demonstrators called for the destruction of Denmark, Israel and the United States as they marched in a steady rain from a mosque to the Danish Embassy in Kuala Lumpur, AP reported.
"Long live Islam. Destroy Denmark. Destroy Israel. Destroy George Bush. Destroy America," some of the protesters shouted. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/10/cartoon.protests/index.html |
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The Lemon
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I was hoping someone would answer my question.
But since you brought it up, what the CNN article didn't tell you was that those 3000 demonstrators (some reports say 10,000) are from the fringe fundamentalist PAS, the Islamic Party of Malaysia. It is a minor party in most of the country, except for two states in the rural northeast, near the Thai border. Electoral support for the PAS has been on the decline in recent years. It's notable that in a city of 4.2 million, they could only scrounge up 10,000 people to demonstrate.
CNN did publish some sensible comments from Malaysia's Prime Minister Badawi, a far more reasonable man than their last PM, Mahathir:
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At a nearby conference, Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi spoke of a "huge chasm that has emerged between the West and Islam" and said many Westerners see a Muslim as "a congenital terrorist."
He said Muslims were particularly frustrated at Western policies toward Iraq, Afghanistan and the Palestinians. He did not mention the Mohammed cartoons.
"They think Osama bin Laden speaks for the religion and its followers," AP quoted Abdullah as saying. "The demonization of Islam and the vilification of Muslims, there is no denying, is widespread within mainstream Western society."
Abdullah also urged Muslims to oppose "sweeping denunciation of Christians, Jews and the West" as well as violence and terror perpetrated by fringe groups, AP reported.
Abdullah is a Muslim scholar, and his country heads the 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference.
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