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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: too much hype |
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You missed the point. The point is that the official ruled based on the push, not whether he broke the plane. |
Did Sparkles miss it, or did he just use logic and decide that it's a point not worth noting since officials reviewed video replays and upheld the call?
Watching the game live and listening to the commentary, it was pretty obvious. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:52 am Post subject: Re: too much hype |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
You missed the point. The point is that the official ruled based on the push, not whether he broke the plane. |
Did Sparkles miss it, or did he just use logic and decide that it's a point not worth noting since officials reviewed video replays and upheld the call?
Watching the game live and listening to the commentary, it was pretty obvious. |
He missed the point. The post he responded to was stating clearly that the ball did not cross the plane during the play, but only after the play was over. IOW, it was a bad call. Sparkles went on to explain the rule, but the rule was not at issue in the post he responded to, it was the quality of the call.
Whether it is all worth discussing is obviously an individual issue.
Personally, that call is not one that I care much about as it WAS very close. However, the non-calls on two obvious holds on the same play could be argued...
But, no, that was not the critical play of the game. Even given that TD, Pitt does not win if the calls are made fairly and correctly. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: Re: too much hype |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
You missed the point. The point is that the official ruled based on the push, not whether he broke the plane. |
Did Sparkles miss it, or did he just use logic and decide that it's a point not worth noting since officials reviewed video replays and upheld the call?
Watching the game live and listening to the commentary, it was pretty obvious. |
He missed the point. The post he responded to was stating clearly that the ball did not cross the plane during the play, but only after the play was over. IOW, it was a bad call. Sparkles went on to explain the rule, but the rule was not at issue in the post he responded to, it was the quality of the call. |
The ref took too long to call it a touchdown, and thus opened himself up for criticism, especially because Roethlisberger reached out and put the ball in the end zone after he was clearly down.
However, it doesn't matter, because the replay showed that Big Ben had the ball in his possession, not downed, and if even the tip of the ball grazed the invisible verticle plane AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ENDZONE, it's a touchdown.
The replay official, and everyone I've spoken with (Steelers fans, Seahawks fans, and bi-partisan fans such as myself), agreed that there was no evidence to overturn the call. To me, it looked as though the ball just broke the plane. And you should check your semantics, because the ball didn't have to cross the anything, only touch it. I think a lot of people -- either because they were drunk or are inherently stupid -- still believe that the ball has to clear the white line (running through my mind!), which is incorrect.
One of these days, and this day might be soon, I'm gonna get all Gord-graphics style on your asses.
It's up for debate what the ref saw (maybe he's admitted to the press something? I don't know); whether he made a late call (it happens), or whether he called it a TD after seeing Ben's hand over the line.
But, again, it's all moot, because the play was probably a TD anyway, and even if it wasn't, the Steelers would have scored on the next play. Claiming that that TD singlehandedly reversed the momentum of the game and robbed the Seahawks of a Superbowl win is dumb and shows that the Seahawks are being sore losers. Again, I'm a fan of neither team, so just calling it like I see it. They got some bad calls for sure, but if you're trying to come up with some Oliver Stone's JFK conspiracy theory, you're wasting your time. The Seahawks killed themselves way more than the refs did.
Sparkles*_* |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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sparkles, the last bit of your post is ridiculous. That you would deride an entire fan base based on one call in a game without even considering the evidence I posted above says nothing about the Seattle fans, but a lot about you. Heck, you even ignored what I said about the holding calls on the same "TD" play. (Go ahead, get a copy and check what I posted. Most of the times are posted, or at least a description of the play. None will be hard to find.) If those obvious holds are called, the TD is called back, even if legit, and it is 3rd and eleven or twelve. Hmmm...
And weren't you involved in the logic thread?
Indeed.
No, this game was decided by a series of calls, not one. And the one you claim is THE call simply is not. I'm not claiming those fans making the most noise about that particular play don't exist, but any idiot should know better than to try to make a case for a 4 point differential making the differnce in a 21 - 10 game. And you should know better than to pretend that play is the issue.
Again, about that logic.... |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: Re: too much hype |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
The Seahawks killed themselves way more than the refs did.
Sparkles*_* |
The above quote is that of someone who watched (perhaps), but did not re-watch the game. It's amazing what you miss when you are busy BSing, drinking, eating or just not paying attention...
I will say this again: When you look at the penalties called, the penalties not called, and track their affect on subsequent plays, it is amazing how much the refs impacted the game.
I challenge you to read through my post, compare it to the tape, and see where you end up.
Even with Seattle's misques, they STILL dominated the vaunted Steelers. (Why is it how Seattle played badly is a factor, but how Pitt played badly/got dominated isn't?? Are you aware Seattle had over 400 yds of offense? Are you aware that when the bad calls are removed they had over 500 YARDS of offense against a supposedly VERY superior Steeler D???) And the score would not have been close.
BTW, I said nothing about conspiracies in that post. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| sparkles, the last bit of your post is ridiculous. That you would deride an entire fan base.... |
I wasn't referring to the fans, but rather the team. Fans will complain; that's what they do. But Holmgren and Co. grumbling about the loss shows poor sportsmanship.
Look, you're obviously a Seashawks fan, so to you the game must have been the greatest atrocity ever comitted on man. But for the rest of the world, it's simply not that big a deal. The Seahawks got some bad calls, made some boneheaded mistakes (their 2-minute drills appeared to be run by a 3-year-old retarded kid), and lost the game.
C'est la vie.
Sparkles*_* |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, the loss of the game stinks, but the real issue is what implications there are for just what is going on in the NFL. If you can do more than enough to win, but still lose, and have zero explanation for some of what happened... ... what's the point in playing the games? Or being a fan?
Were the officials just that stinking lousy, or is there more going on? It's a question worth asking, at teh very least.
There's a book out called "Interference.." don't know the exact title. Serious journalist making a strong case for game fixing in the NFL. Might be worth a perusal before dismissing this as Seahawks fan frustration... expecially since the comlaints are coming from fans of every other team, too. Including the Steelers. |
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seethetraffic
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Location: Seoul
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For what it's worth, Sparkles...since you list your
location as Punxsutawney, PA (home of the infamous
Groundhog) and since Google Maps lists your location
as only 79.1 miles from Pittsburgh, I will take your
comments lightly while I ponder the source. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| seethetraffic wrote: |
For what it's worth, Sparkles...since you list your
location as Punxsutawney, PA (home of the infamous
Groundhog) and since Google Maps lists your location
as only 79.1 miles from Pittsburgh, I will take your
comments lightly while I ponder the source. |
Heh. You're reading too deeply into things. One of my favorite films is Groundhog Day, and that film pretty much reflects my day to day life in the ROK. That's why I wrote Punxsutawney as my location. I'm actually in Bundang.
Sparkles*_* |
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shortskirt_longjacket
Joined: 06 Jun 2004
Location: fitz and ernie are my raison d'etre
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Roethlisberger himself said he didn't think he got in on Letterman Monday night. He said he jogged over to the sideline and told Cowher he didn't get there.
So, Seattle fans and Pittsburgh fans may say "yes" (although I live in Seattle and everywhere I go I see "Refs 21 Hawks 10" signs) but the guy who actually had the ball says "no." |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: |
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ET is speaking too much from the heart. When you start looking at all the holding calls you're overdoing it. There's holding &/or interference on almost every play. Some are missed and some aren't considered serious enough. Those go both ways. ET is only looking at the ones that went against him/hawks.
It's altogether possible that the guy carrying the ball didn't know whether he was in or not. I mean after he was already in and he hit the turf, he tried pushing the ball across. Therefore, he must have thought he wasn't in at first. The ball only crossed the plane by a few inches, so it is very conceivable that he didn't know he had done it the first time.
Why on earth would anyone want to watch that game again - especially if you're a diehard and your team lost a game they should have/ could have won? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ET is confirming he "has issues." |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| pegpig wrote: |
| ET is speaking too much from the heart. When you start looking at all the holding calls you're overdoing it. There's holding &/or interference on almost every play. Some are missed and some aren't considered serious enough. Those go both ways. ET is only looking at the ones that went against him/hawks. |
I and tens of thousands of others, eh? For me, sports are not about the money and the hype, it's about the skill and sportsmanship. If you don't understand that, or don't care, fine. But don't judge my post based on your ethics.
As for the holding calls, I'm only looking at the ones that went against Seattle? Wrong. Read my post again. See if you can figure out where your error is.
The issue is that questionable holding was called vs. the Seahawks while obvious, egregious holding was not called vs. Pitt. The issue is that the game wasn't called fairly. IF the officials had called both teams equally poorly you'd be hearing people talk about a *sloppy* game, not a biased one.
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| It's altogether possible that the guy carrying the ball didn't know whether he was in or not. I mean after he was already in and he hit the turf, he tried pushing the ball across. Therefore, he must have thought he wasn't in at first. The ball only crossed the plane by a few inches, so it is very conceivable that he didn't know he had done it the first time. |
I've already said I don't give a whit about the call on the TD, so wy are you addressing it here?
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| Why on earth would anyone want to watch that game again - especially if you're a diehard and your team lost a game they should have/ could have won? |
Why would anyone comment on a post they have zero credility on, given they just admitted they aren't even interested in looking at the evidence? |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Why would anyone comment on a post they have zero credility on, |
So now it's a credibility issue and you're claiming to have more than the rest?  |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you should take a heart pill.
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| I've already said I don't give a whit about the call on the TD, so wy are you addressing it here? |
Because it was part of the discussion. Oh, I'm sorry. You didn't want to discuss it. Listen up everyone.
The great ET does not want to have that td discussed here.
Jeez. You'd think you're the most important person on this friggin' board. I think that distinction has already been made.
Pro bowl's next. Watch how the zebras will be out to get those talented Seahawk players. |
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