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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Your erudition and the quality of your "sources"(Linda Mcquaig), well , yes, "blows my mind " again. Never went to grad "skool"(sic). But you're right: I read Moldy's post again, slowly, moving my lips, and... dammit! You're right! It's full of doctrines of phrenology(run to the dictionary, Noam), writings by Darwin, Spencer, Gobineau, Wagner, H.S. Chamberlain, etc. "Racism"! Yes indeed! What was I thinking ? I've been bested, yet again, by such evidence and logic.... |
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chomsky
Joined: 03 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
| Your erudition and the quality of your "sources"(Linda Mcquaig), well , yes, "blows my mind " again. Never went to grad "skool"(sic). But you're right: I read Moldy's post again, slowly, moving my lips, and... dammit! You're right! It's full of doctrines of phrenology(run to the dictionary, Noam), writings by Darwin, Spencer, Gobineau, Wagner, H.S. Chamberlain, etc. "Racism"! Yes indeed! What was I thinking ? I've been bested, yet again, by such evidence and logic.... |
i don't need to run to the dictionary to understand your 'deep thoughts', i just prefer to speak in plain english rather than use words like 'erudition'and phrenology' in dave's esl  ahhh still using the buzzwords and dropping a lot of big names i see, yeah? that's a standard smokescreen tactic for people who have no real arghyooment (check again for spelling error- can you spot it again, give ya a hint - it has an 'm' and a 't' and it's not "Kwik-E-Mart - if you can find it you are surely a kwalified teecher). i repeat, what's your point? (i'm not laughing with you....) |
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chomsky
Joined: 03 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
| Your erudition and the quality of your "sources"(Linda Mcquaig), well , yes, "blows my mind " again. Never went to grad "skool"(sic). But you're right: I read Moldy's post again, slowly, moving my lips, and... dammit! You're right! It's full of doctrines of phrenology(run to the dictionary, Noam), writings by Darwin, Spencer, Gobineau, Wagner, H.S. Chamberlain, etc. "Racism"! Yes indeed! What was I thinking ? I've been bested, yet again, by such evidence and logic.... |
by the way, you don't need to refer to your own previous staement in quotation marks (me, i don't really care - i just thought you're the type who would want to know that kind of info). |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, skoler. It's time for plane english. Let's drop the kwik-e-mart sh*** . One last time: Can you provide a kwotation from any of Moldy's posts that indicates he believes in a biological basis for the superiority of one race over another and as such should be labelled "racist"? If not, give the guy an apology and knock off the skoolyard sh***. Plain enough for ya? |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:52 pm Post subject: Alas, more beepy beep |
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chomsky
Joined: 03 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Alas, more beepy beep |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
| Sigh. To settle the issue, no, I do not see a biological basis for any race's superiority (except for Guinness drinkers, who are obviously better.:>) |
there ya have it - it seems you may be a nice guy after all. so i'll go one better and say sorry directly to mosley
| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
Yikes. I picked the person who knows these places. You're right, my food stamps jest wasn't very funny. I forgot that there actually was a literal food stamps program in place at times on the rock.  |
right. food stamps = no fun (for whites or native people). i wouldn't wish them on anybody. even Mosley
| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
| I agree that for the faculty to take an Innu girl on the expection that she will serve the Innu community is a good decision. However, for the government to dictate that someone deserves first dibs because of their race or the past treatment of that race--is racism. It also sets a terrible precedent. Shouldn't I get in first also because I'm left-handed, and left-handed people have faced terrible oppression in the past? At some point the original idea of selecting the brightest and best to enter a university faculty would be totally empty. |
hmmm, can you recommend any good books on the oppression of southpaws in 20th century canada. sounds fascinating. 
wrong. it's a crucial precedent in this case. i agree that for most jobs the most qualified person should get the job. in this case, the most qualified social worker for the job will be an innu social work graduate, not another university eductaed white social worker who's never lived in a native community. i've witnessed most of the brightest white graduates of such programs **** up royally when they get up there. they do not know the culture and life experience counts for far more than academic qualifications in this situation. the history of white-native relations in canada smacks of sickening paternalism. outside experts reap handsome profits while those they are supposed to help are left to rot (kinda like UN food 'devlopment' programs, sad to say). many of the problems on reservations and in native communities have resulted from whites coming in dictating terms, conditions and policies to native peoples. this must stop. enuff. if you want them to look after themselves - you gotta walk the walk.
[quote="Moldy Rutabaga"]But we throw money at health/ed/etc. because we expect and receive results from doing so. And those programs which don't produce results (i.e. gun registries, corporate bailouts) are also bad ideas. I don't blame natives or wish them hardship. Rather, I think a model which spends huge amounts of money on first nations groups and fails to help them cheats both me and them. I leave it to others to figure out what the right solution is.
i expect results from my tax dollars going to nbative communities. i agree with you that some bands have squandered their chances...in these instances band politics have resulted in some councils ripping off their own people and the taxpayer. these individuals should be held accountable, perhaps jailed - not the native people who are ripped off by thier own leaders. but these cases are the minority and are exploited by right-wing nuts and cynics who love to point to failures, not successes. many programs are just keeping communities afloat - but that's much better than letting them sink. finally, there have been many sucess stories in canadian native communities - and money has been very well spent in these cases. some have become virtually self-sufficient. isn't that worth the initial investment? are you suggesting there have been no canadian native success stories as a result of federal / provincial financial support?
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| I don't have a right to determine their lifestyles--if they want to stick turnips in their ears, it's their right--but if I pay taxes and am a citizen, I damn well do have a right to have a say in how my government makes laws and distributes resources. If you are saying that some groups are just special and citizens don't have the right to ask questions, it's a pretty slippery slope. Since the Trudeau years, it's become downright fashionable for judges and politicians to ignore popular will and claim "it's the right thing to do". It's the reason voter turnouts keep dropping as people no longer believe their voice counts.. |
hey i pay my taxes, too, i'm certainly not happy with where some of the $ goes. your only real choices are campaign, vote, or refuse to pay your taxes . however, this group clearly is special - you imply reverse racism on my part but it is just common sense and honest to admit we stole thier lands. facts is facts. you act like all natives have consigned themselves to acceptance of their low position in canadian society. no dice.
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| Nuremburg? That's a silly comparison. I'm not responsible for my country's actions 100 years before my birth = I'm not responsible for ordering or abetting mass murder?. |
of course not but you are responsible for your actions now. failure to act on injustice and discrimination is not much better than carrying out such acts.
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| You haven't argued for improving the lives of ANY Canadian. You've argued for improving the lives of Canadians in a certain order based upon ethnicity--at the cost of the others. If it's ANY Canadian.. I'm all in favor.. |
uh, yeah it is ANY canadian. and last time i checked native people in canada are canadian citizens as are are other people from NL/LAB. (the ones you made the "food stamps" crack about, remember). if there's some poor bugger on welfare out on the praries who lost the farm or whatever, i'd stick up for him, too.
| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
| Natives didn't force me to come to Korea, but their entitlements were a contributing factor. You claimed that our social safety net has a small impact on the economy. But at present direct and indirect taxation takes up about 50% of personal income, and a large portion of this goes to funding that net or paying debt on it. These represent lost jobs, lowered living standards, and productivity that trails the US every year. These factors did force me to leave Canada. Everyone was special and victimized except me.. and I couldn't buy groceries any longer.. |
i sympathize with your lack of groceries as i've been in the same boat many times. but native entitlements are a drop in the bucket compared to our debt load. blaming them for your situation is pathetic. of course we pay tax - but i suggest you do some research on 'corporate welfare bums' in canada to see where the majority of our debt payments are going. (hint: it aint sheshashiu).
i'm pretty sure mosley will be reading this post too, so I'll say this to both of you: it's a very common reaction for a group of people who have been hard hit (e.g. poor white canadains) to lash out at those a few rungs below them (viz. native canadians). the koreans lord it over the indonesians, poor white trash lord it over poor blacks, etc. strange behaviour, isn't it? |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, chomsky, ya caught me: I was reading the post. Shocked by the apology, I must say. At your conclusion, referring to "poor white Canadians", and that's me, who "lash out", I agree(and I'll speak only for myself from now on-Moldy can do without me, it seems). Where I completely disagree is that I lash out at those ABOVE me(so-called): the politicians, academics, bureaucrats, social engineers, etc. who impose policies, such as race-based preferences , upon the citizenry without the legitimate consent of the governed(tax-paying citizens). I have the same sentiments about gun "control" and a whole host of other public issues. And I would add "working" to "poor white" Canadians. I, for one, have never even had a chance to "lord it over" others. [well, OK , many years ago, when I was a junior NCO, I lorded it over recruits, but hell, that was my job....] |
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chomsky
Joined: 03 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
| Ok, skoler. It's time for plane english. Let's drop the kwik-e-mart sh*** . One last time: Can you provide a kwotation from any of Moldy's posts that indicates he believes in a biological basis for the superiority of one race over another and as such should be labelled "racist"? If not, give the guy an apology and knock off the skoolyard sh***. Plain enough for ya? |
ahhh, now yu speekin my lingo. gee thanx, imitation is the greatest form of flattery.
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| Chomsky(revealing moniker):For the 18 millionth time in my life, "racism" is a pseudo-scientific doctrine(as is Marxism) that purports to "prove" a biological basis for the superiority of one race over another. It's a true bast*** child of Darwinism. How you get "racism" out of Moldy's remarks blows my mind. .... |
in yor previous posts yew suggested i run for the dictionary so i done what ya told me (like a good injun). and ya know what lurnd? the definition of "racism"! yehaw! pay attenshun now...
racism: 1)The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
hmmm...i didn't see any mention of "pseudo-scientific doctrine" and bastturd child of Dawrwinism" or "Marxism" ennywhere. I musta checked 18 million dictionaries! MOsley, tell us the truth now....have you been makin'all this stuff up to impress us poor stoopid ignoramuses on this board? yew must be one o them thar frawds! i heard about them types in skool! when i wuz book-lernin! tsk tsk tsk! pshaw!
i've since read Modly's new post where he rekanted any racist leanings so that's good enuff for me. How 'bout i go one better and show yor posting, which seems to fit the dictionary definishun to a tee.
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| ... the colossal waste of taxpayers' money on programs for Natives that has NOT improved their lifestyle one iota...[blah blah blah] .. |
thar ya have it! yew are reel book-smart i bet so ya didn't say it outright, but it's purty clear what yew think of them dirty redskins! that's smart cuz there's them nasty "hate laws" in canada.
but ya know what? your story has become tiresome. i will end this silly thread by saying sorry to you. Mosley, you are truly sorry. you thrive on trying to trample those less fortunate than you. that's pathetic but you're fighting a losing battle. to quote Futurama "We have evolved beyond the need for asses." and really, man, your logic is terrible (after reading your ridiculous posts and loud-mouthed debate challenges to other people on this board, i'm quite confident i'd mop the floor with you regardless of how many books you say you've read, enny day of the week). (i'm still not laughin with you... that's all folks!! |
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chomsky
Joined: 03 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ...the politicians, academics, bureaucrats, social engineers, etc. who impose policies, such as race-based preferences , upon the citizenry without the legitimate consent of the governed...] |
i think i agree with many of the things you say, but i'd like you to look at some of the words you wrote (above) and view them thru the eyes of a native person in canada (not a corrupt native leader, but an average native canadian). cheers. that's all. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| 18 million dictionaries you've checked, eh? That's probably the closest to the truth you got to in that post. To think I was even trying to extend an olive branch, of sorts, in my last post. Lies, slander, insults, quotations taken completely out of context.... I've had some mighty battles here on Dave's since I made my first post , but I've never seen anything so scurrilous... I imagine you'll wear that as a badge of "honour". Incredible. What I think of those " dirty redskins" indeed. Yep, that's what I said alright. I'll put on the white robes now, as does anyone who has the audacity to question government expenditures. I am dumbfounded by such vileness. This reminds me more of that infamous "koreaefl" site. |
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itchy
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: CANADA: Number 8! Number 8!!!! |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:40 am Post subject: |
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"Norway ranked first, followed by Iceland, Sweden, Australia, the Netherlands, Belgium and the United States. "
Scandanavians rule |
Where is the source to Norway being #1? (not directed particularly at you FierceInvalid.. I was just trying to find the underwear thread regarding Norway and stumbled on this thread)..
So back to Norway being #1? Does it have anything to do with wearing underwear for one week before changing?
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=10265&highlight=underwear
No offense to the Norwegians in particular.. but c'mon.. not changing underwear??.. it takes some mighty open-minded men and women to admit to that one!! Maybe in part of making it #1 |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Well I like Canadians because of ...
Maple syrup
Hockey
The horniest women in the world... |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
Well I like Canadians because of ...
Maple syrup
Hockey
The horniest women in the world... |
Surprisingly, stats back up the last statement. A Durex poll revealed that the people who have the most sex per year are:
1) France
2) Holland
3) Denmark (never would've guessed in a million years)
4) Canada |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
Well I like Canadians because of ...
Maple syrup
Hockey
The horniest women in the world... |
Surprisingly, stats back up the last statement. A Durex poll revealed that the people who have the most sex per year are:
1) France
2) Holland
3) Denmark (never would've guessed in a million years)
4) Canada |
I like Canadian politics.. however hockey is played better in Detroit
I found a part of the Durex poll.. but it says that 17% of Australians are gay closely followed by Americans??!!?? Whats up with that? I can't find the heterosexual Durex polls.
http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7351275%5E421,00.html
Where is your Durex Poll? |
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