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EFLtrainer
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Officials Confirm Bird Flu Death of Iraqi
By YAHYA BARZANJI, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 11 minutes ago
SULAIMANIYAH, Iraq - Iraqi and U.N. health officials said Monday a 15-year-old girl who died this month was a victim of the deadly H5N1 strain of the bird flu virus, the first confirmed case of the disease in the Middle East. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060130/ap_on_he_me/iraq_bird_flu |
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EFLtrainer
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060208/ts_afp/healthflunigeriaoie_060208133332
After Asia and Europe, H5N1 bird flu spreads to Africa
Wed Feb 8, 8:36 AM ET
PARIS (AFP) - H5N1 avian influenza has been detected in Africa for the first time, the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) said here, reporting an outbreak among poultry in northern Nigeria that had killed 40,000 birds.
The outbreak occurred on a large commercial battery-chicken farm in Jaji, Kaduna state, the world veterinary watchdog said Wednesday.
"The OIE/FAO (Food and Agriculture Organisation) reference laboratory for avian influenza in Padova, Italy, has characterized the isolate as a highly pathogenic H5N1," it said.
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The farm had 46,000 birds, comprising egg-laying chickens as well as ostriches and geese, before the outbreak occurred on January 10.
A total of 42,000 had become infected, 40,000 of which had died, the OIE said, citing a notification from the Nigerian ministry of agriculture.
The Nigerian authorities said they had taken measures to tackle the outbreak through disinfection, quarantine and restrictions on animal movements, the OIE added.
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According to the latest official toll compiled by the World Health Organisation (WHO), there have been 165 recorded human cases of H5N1 infection, 88 of them mortal.
In its present form, the H5N1 is not known to be transmissible from human to human.
The big worry is that it could pick up genes from the conventional human flu virus that would make it not only lethal, but highly contagious, too. Thus the longer and more widely it circulates, the greater the risk that this could happen. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/02/09/nigeria.birdflu/index.html
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More bird flu in Nigeria alarms WHO
Deadly strain in Nigerian chickens 'doesn't bode well' for Africa
Thursday, February 9, 2006 Posted: 1358 GMT (2158 HKT)
ABUJA, Nigeria -- The deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu has been found in two more Nigerian states, the Agricultural Ministry said Thursday.
The strain has been confirmed at two farms in Kano state and one in adjoining Plateau state, said Tope Ajakaiye, a ministry spokesman.
The highly pathogenic strain of avian flu, found in Nigerian chickens, is the first time the strain has been found in Africa, the World Organization for Animal Health and the World Health Organization (WHO) reported on Wednesday. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Well, it's finally confirmed in migratory birds. No way to know from the article if they caught it from locals, but it don't look good.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4704046.stm
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Bird flu hits new areas in Europe
Health officials step up precautions near Thessaloniki, northern Greece
The deadly H5N1 strain of the bird flu virus has reached three new European countries, officials have confirmed.
The virus has been found in wild swans in Sicily, and other cases are suspected elsewhere in Italy, the country's health minister says.
A specialist UK laboratory has identified the virus in dead swans found in northern Greece and Bulgaria.
The H5N1 strain of bird flu has killed at least 80 people since early 2003, mostly in South-East Asia.
Seventeen migratory birds which had fallen ill or died were recovered from the Italian regions of Puglia, Calabria and Sicily.
Two of them - swans that were found in the Sicilian town of Messina - tested positive for the H5N1 strain, the Italian health ministry confirmed.
Greek health officials have intensified precautions in areas near Thessaloniki, Greece's second-largest city, where three migratory swans tested positive for the H5N1 strain.
Tests carried out in a UK laboratory also confirmed the deadly bird flu virus in wilds swans found in the Bulgarian wetland region of Vidin, close to the Romanian border. |
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EFLtrainer
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| It's interesting that the first confirmed case of avian influenza has turned up in Nigeria, of all places; I would have expected it to turn up in east Africa first. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| It's interesting that the first confirmed case of avian influenza has turned up in Nigeria, of all places; I would have expected it to turn up in east Africa first. |
Flyways. A number of these latest finds are in migratory birds rather than farm stock. Looks like it has finally made a signifcant jump into the wild population. Rapier can't be happy. This endangers wild flocks as they will now be targeted for culling. |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| It's interesting that the first confirmed case of avian influenza has turned up in Nigeria, of all places; I would have expected it to turn up in east Africa first. |
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Because of flyways.
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| A number of these latest finds are in migratory birds rather than farm stock. Looks like it has finally made a signifcant jump into the wild population. |
They were always in the wild population to begin with.
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| Rapier can't be happy. This endangers wild flocks as they will now be targeted for culling. |
No, they won't.
And you're just baiting him. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| It's interesting that the first confirmed case of avian influenza has turned up in Nigeria, of all places; I would have expected it to turn up in east Africa first. |
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Because of flyways. |
Why?
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| A number of these latest finds are in migratory birds rather than farm stock. Looks like it has finally made a signifcant jump into the wild population. |
They were always in the wild population to begin with. |
That's been the a large point in the debate in this thread: was it spreading due to poultry or wild fowl? Most of the evidence has supported the former, but these latest may indicate a shift to the wild fowl as the primary spreaders.
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| Rapier can't be happy. This endangers wild flocks as they will now be targeted for culling. |
No, they won't.
And you're just baiting him. |
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Riiiight. Show where I've ever done that. You may not be able to have dialogue wit people on different issues and agree or disagree as the *issue* dictates, but don't project onto me. He and I have had no conflicts on this thread and I see no reason for there to be any.
Unless, of course, started up by a third party.  |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| It's interesting that the first confirmed case of avian influenza has turned up in Nigeria, of all places; I would have expected it to turn up in east Africa first. |
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| Flyways. |
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| Because of flyways. |
Look at the maps.
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| A number of these latest finds are in migratory birds rather than farm stock. Looks like it has finally made a signifcant jump into the wild population. |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| They were always in the wild population to begin with. |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| That's been the a large point in the debate in this thread: was it spreading due to poultry or wild fowl? Most of the evidence has supported the former, but these latest may indicate a shift to the wild fowl as the primary spreaders. |
The native reservoir for avian flu is wild bird populations. They were always in wild bird populations to begin with.
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| Rapier can't be happy. This endangers wild flocks as they will now be targeted for culling. |
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No, they won't.
And you're just baiting him. |
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| Riiiight. Show where I've ever done that. You may not be able to have dialogue wit people on different issues and agree or disagree as the *issue* dictates, but don't project onto me. He and I have had no conflicts on this thread and I see no reason for there to be any. |
There won't be any culls because culling of wild birds is an inefficient and ineffective method of preventing the spread of avian flu.
And yes, you're just baiting him. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
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| It's interesting that the first confirmed case of avian influenza has turned up in Nigeria, of all places; I would have expected it to turn up in east Africa first. |
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Because of flyways. |
Why? |
Look at the maps.
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| A number of these latest finds are in migratory birds rather than farm stock. Looks like it has finally made a signifcant jump into the wild population. |
They were always in the wild population to begin with. |
That's been the a large point in the debate in this thread: was it spreading due to poultry or wild fowl? Most of the evidence has supported the former, but these latest may indicate a shift to the wild fowl as the primary spreaders. |
The native reservoir for avian flu is wild bird populations. They were always in wild bird populations to begin with.
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| Rapier can't be happy. This endangers wild flocks as they will now be targeted for culling. |
No, they won't.
And you're just baiting him. |
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Riiiight. Show where I've ever done that. You may not be able to have dialogue wit people on different issues and agree or disagree as the *issue* dictates, but don't project onto me. He and I have had no conflicts on this thread and I see no reason for there to be any.[/quote]
There won't be any culls because culling of wild birds is an inefficient and ineffective method of preventing the spread of avian flu.
And yes, you're just baiting him.[/quote]
1. Wild fowl are the natural reservoir for bird flu, but not the virulent form that is the subject of this thread. FYI, as discussed earlier in this thread, it is believed the 1918 pandemic started from human contact in the US, of all places, with farm stock, not wild fowl.
This actually makes sense when you consider the close contact of the fowl in farm conditions, it is much more likely biologically that a mutaton would occur in closely packed birds in unsanitary conditions. It seems pretty clear the H5N1 we are dicussing originated from such conditions.
2. Gee, look at the map. Genius, that. Thanks for the tip. It's all so much clearer now. The flyways interconnect so there are a number of ways for it to get from any given point to another.
If you note that the flyway that goes from East Africa up into Europe intersects the latest areas of flu infections, it isn't surprising at all.
3. Well, this has been a fruitful exchange. Are we discussing H5N1 or me? Until now I thought it was H5N1. I have baited no one. Any time I do, it is tongue in cheek, as with gopher. My discussions with rapier have been nothing but serious and sincere. You opinion on that is not relevant.
If you want to discuss the Catholic issue, go to that thread. It doesn't belong here. |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
1. Wild fowl are the natural reservoir for bird flu, but not the virulent form that is the subject of this thread. FYI, as discussed earlier in this thread, it is believed the 1918 pandemic started from human contact in the US, of all places, with farm stock, not wild fowl.
This actually makes sense when you consider the close contact of the fowl in farm conditions, it is much more likely biologically that a mutaton would occur in closely packed birds in unsanitary conditions. It seems pretty clear the H5N1 we are dicussing originated from such conditions. |
You said earlier "it looks like it has finally made a signifcant jump into the wild population." The statement was incorrect because the natural reservoir for all avian flu is in wildfowl populations. It's been shown that aquatic wildfowl are capable of transporting H5N1 without showing symptoms themselves.
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| Gee, look at the map. Genius, that. Thanks for the tip. It's all so much clearer now. The flyways interconnect so there are a number of ways for it to get from any given point to another. |
And if you look at the map -- instead of asking me why you should look at it -- you can see why I said I was surprised it turned up in west Africa first, instead of east Africa.
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| 3. Well, this has been a fruitful exchange. Are we discussing H5N1 or me? Until now I thought it was H5N1. I have baited no one. Any time I do, it is tongue in cheek, as with gopher. My discussions with rapier have been nothing but serious and sincere. You opinion on that is not relevant. |
You said, "Rapier can't be happy. This endangers wild flocks as they will now be targeted for culling." Culling is an inefficient and ineffective way to eradicate avian flu. So they won't be targeted for culling. |
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rapier
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Well, it's finally confirmed in migratory birds. No way to know from the article if they caught it from locals, but it don't look good.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4704046.stm
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Bird flu hits new areas in Europe
Health officials step up precautions near Thessaloniki, northern Greece
The deadly H5N1 strain of the bird flu virus has reached three new European countries, officials have confirmed.
The virus has been found in wild swans in Sicily, and other cases are suspected elsewhere in Italy, the country's health minister says.
A specialist UK laboratory has identified the virus in dead swans found in northern Greece and Bulgaria.
The H5N1 strain of bird flu has killed at least 80 people since early 2003, mostly in South-East Asia.
Seventeen migratory birds which had fallen ill or died were recovered from the Italian regions of Puglia, Calabria and Sicily.
Two of them - swans that were found in the Sicilian town of Messina - tested positive for the H5N1 strain, the Italian health ministry confirmed.
Greek health officials have intensified precautions in areas near Thessaloniki, Greece's second-largest city, where three migratory swans tested positive for the H5N1 strain.
Tests carried out in a UK laboratory also confirmed the deadly bird flu virus in wilds swans found in the Bulgarian wetland region of Vidin, close to the Romanian border. |
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I'm on my way to Chiang mai in 5 mins and don't really have time to tackle this properly..but..some immediate flaws here.
First up..The swans concerned (Mute swans) are not migratory but sedentary, and also mix easily with domestic ducks. Swans are fairly tame and used to humans.. (so they possibly caught the virus from poultry/domestic birds). Also..not all of the 17 were tested, and the details are very vague. The ones that tested positive were dead, showing once again that wild birds usually die quickly once infected rather than carrying it over distance.
A lot of mainstream media is unbelievably ignorant of the facts about wild birds..Mute swans are not migratory..
The Bulgarian swans are possibly of the other 2 migratory species, Whooper and Bewicks.But again..swans are perhaps the most susceptible of all birds to flu, and mingle readily with domestic birds as they are often semi-tame.
"Culls" have already begun apparently in Siberia and Romania with gangs of men indiscriminately killing any bird in sight, including beheading and using as footballs flocks of birds exhausted by the unusually severe winter. Of course South Koreans, keen for any excuse to build on and concrete over any last remaining wild places, have put up signs saying "Beware wild birds spread deadly bird flu" beside every lake- although there hasn't been a single case.
The disease has actually followed human/poultry transport routes, and doesn't correspond to any known bird route..But perhaps a slither of evidence is enough for people to scapegoat wild animals all over again, as is the tendencey of destructive homo sapiens to do. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Note to Manner: The above is an example of what I expected from this thread.
Nice, rapier. |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Political correctness. What an "essential" concept.  |
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