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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone else think it's hypocritical for someone to be pointing out the racism of an entire group of people, when their own avatar is a depiction of the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb in his turban?
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Caledonian Craig
Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ladies and gentlemen- we have a winner |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I'll respond.
1) I'm racist/racialist. I'm beyond being cajoled or influced by subtle suggestions that I might be racist. I give a hearty goose step and in your directon.
No, I'm not a defender of Black women. I am a defender of truth. Many times before I have said I don't like living in the USA first because of the diversity and second because of the confilts that come along with it. One of the conflicts I have to manage as a resident of The USA is the simmering and very real resentment of Black women being passed over for White women by their brothers. I'm well aware that anyone that the questions these relationships gets called a bigot those these folks are shouted down but the resentment and hurt remains. That anger gets focused at society and then at White people since they are always a handy target.
For all the problems that racists are acccused of, the problem above wasn't caused by White racists. It was caused by Liberals.
The facts are on my side. In response, I am reliably submitted facts such as "I was turned on by a Black woman once" but none the less, Black women -White men couples and coupling are rare. You simply didn't provide any empirical evidence...again. Furthermore, you can't submit any evidence because it doesn't exist.
There is this problem of "ascencion" in multiracial communities. Shortly after you tell certian nonWhite groups they are as good as White people, they will pause for a moment and then lean over to your ear and whisper in confidence "I don't like Black people either".
A few years ago a film came out in the UK called "East Meets West". It was an antiracist film about a cross racial relationship between an English woman and a Pakistani man. The film was cheered and awarded. I saw the film and I thought it was a well made film and well made propaganda. For anyone that knows what really goes on in those communites will attest to the fact the Pakistanis, as well as Arabs hate Black people. The film really is propaganda. Multicultural England is a green island of racist hate.
A license to date interracially is a license to ignore whole groups of people because of their race and then deny it. Thats the problem. I don't like the idea of the government telling people who the should or should not court or marry but in reality the policy its a back door for all kinds of racist abuse that happens everyday in plain site.
I was turned on by Latin women once and I still am. Of couse "Latina" is a pretty vauge term. Do I mean a Negress from Panama, a White Argentinia, an Aztec goddess or an Italian woman from Genoa? There was a time when I was producing few dates so I wondered over to Mexican side of town. I was rewarded very quickly and numerously and I'm very certain it had to do with my race.
Again, the potential for effect and harm is real and its serious and it needs to be adressed in some mature manner.
I suggest interracial marrige should be outlawed until age 35. This gives the parties involved time to gain life experience and it gives time for the hormones to dissolve.
I'm tired of being bullied by phonies and I'm tired of the phonies. If you are not racist, act not racist. Everyone sees whats going on and quite frankly the situation looks very abusive.
Next why I don't defend White man/Yellow woman couples anymore and the plight of Asian men in a multicultural, nonracist, tolerant societies. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| A few years ago a film came out in the UK called "East Meets West". It was an antiracist film about a cross racial relationship between an English woman and a Pakistani man. |
Are you sure it wasn't 'East is East' or was that something different?
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| Multicultural England is a green island of racist hate |
It isn't quite that bad, but, yes, there's a lot of racism in England.
What England does have however is quite a big ethnic minority middle class. And 'middle class' in England of course means doctors, lawyers, teachers, other educated professionals.
I'm very pro-interracial breeding. A good mix of genes makes for very beautiful people, whereas a small genepool makes for f-ing ugly people. I'm very surprised Koreans are so good-looking because Korea's so homogenous genetically. I was expecting Koreans to be bloody ugly as a result but that's TOTALLY not the case. They may be an exception, because I've seen highly inbred communities in England, Wales, elsewhere in Europe and in the USA and the people are so god damn ugly it's unbelievable. I'm English, so it pains me to say this, but the English (not all of them obviously) are the most inbred race I've ever seen. Many people in England - because of CLASS - are still to this day totally unable and unwilling to form even the most basic social relations outside their own immediate social class, peer group, perhaps even family in extreme cases (let alone race). They're the lowest form of human life in my opinion. Yes, I'm pro-inter-racial breeding, big time. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Next why I don't defend White man/Yellow woman couples anymore and the plight of Asian men in a multicultural, nonracist, tolerant societies. |
I CAN't WAIT!!! Like I'm drooling over the thought of Back To The Future XXIV.
Just one comment -- have you actually seen a yellow woman? Other than at a Swedish football match? My own thoughts are that you should get thyself to a windowless academic office in some mid western college and hide away there with your utterly baseless twaddle......... Racial theories of dating, commmmmmon, isn't that utterly 1950ish sociological mouthwash? Next you'll tell us that the reason America has no leadership is because George B. (and other "elites") have let too much latino blood into their lineage (from too many wanderings into that "other side of town" you know so much about. Commmmmmmmon!
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Come on people now / Smile on your brother / Everybody get together Try to love one another right now ... |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: |
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No, I'm not a defender of Black women. I am a defender of truth. |
No you're not. Just so we're perfectly clear. You haven't the faintest idea what "truth" even is. Forgeddaboudit.
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One of the conflicts I have to manage as a resident of The USA is the simmering and very real resentment of Black women being passed over for White women by their brothers.... That anger gets focused at society and then at White people since they are always a handy target. |
No it doesn't. That anger gets focused by black women against black men. It's not your issue. And no, you don't have to "manage" that problem. How many black women do you socialise with regularly? How many times to you have to listen to a black woman rant about brothers going for white chicks? Pure and utter rubbish from you, again.
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For all the problems that racists are acccused of, the problem above wasn't caused by White racists. It was caused by Liberals. |
No it wasn't, just so we're perfectly clear. The problem you're talking about, ie interracial dating, is not a problem at all. There are indeed some problems in the area of race relations though, and they are emphatically caused by people like you.
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Black women -White men couples and coupling are rare...
There is this problem of "ascencion" in multiracial communities. |
If you posit whites at the top of this so called "ascencion" nonsense, then black women would also want to date white men, in order to "ascend". This clearly doesn't happen. So something else is going on. Something you don't understand.
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Shortly after you tell certian nonWhite groups they are as good as White people, they will pause for a moment and then lean over to your ear and whisper in confidence "I don't like Black people either". |
No they don't, just so we're perfectly clear. Unless of course you'd like to provide some "impirical evidence" for that.
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A license to date interracially is a license to ignore whole groups of people because of their race and then deny it. |
No it's not, it's a license to date who you want to date. No one is obliged to date anyone they don't want to date, for whatever reason.
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I was rewarded very quickly and numerously and I'm very certain it had to do with my race. |
So what?
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Again, the potential for effect and harm is real and its serious and it needs to be adressed in some mature manner. |
No it isn't. And don't be talking about mature, you have no idea what the word means.
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I suggest interracial marrige should be outlawed until age 35. This gives the parties involved time to gain life experience and it gives time for the hormones to dissolve. |
I suggest you be put in a padded cell until the age of 85, until your racial hatred has time to dissolve.
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I'm tired of being bullied by phonies and I'm tired of the phonies. |
How can you be tired of phonies? You are phonie numero uno. You're a comitted outspoken racist trying to make out like you're engaging in rational discussion. How phony can you get?
You just don't understand sexuality. Your own racial hatred has made you think that it's all about power and "ascencion". It's not. Interracial attraction is more often than not about what is exotic and different. Or simply that two people like each other and are attracted, no matter what the race. It's a phsycial thing that is at this time mysterious and beyond our control. You will never legislate sexual attraction.
I would be more worried about you, but I'm aware that your kind are very rare, and a dying breed. I just hope you don't have kids.
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Antmore
Joined: 15 Sep 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: |
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dulouz,
May I ask why you are a member of this site, if you are racist or racialist? If you are interested in defending the integrity of the white race, teaching English as a second language would presumably not be something you would do? |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Location: Incheon
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Fantomas
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| I suppose there is power in making oneself an object of revulsion... |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| Feeding trolls is discouraged. Feeding bigotry more so. Feeding your own egos in thinking you are dealing with this guy...? Seriously. |
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anyway

Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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One of the most enlightening university courses I ever took was taught by one of the few African-American professors at the university. It was a journalism school course about cross-cultural communication. The prof attempted to get us (all caucasian students) to realize that we were in fact racists. Not that we actively hated blacks or any other "race", but that we were products of an environment that programmed us to believe in certain stereotypes, images, and preconceptions; therefore, we tended to think and behave in accordance with those biases and influences. It was a cold shock, but I eventually agreed (whereas many utterly refused to admit to some fault like racism).
One of the last courses I took (in graduate school) was a philosophy of education. The class again was mostly causasian folks like myself, but this time the prof was also. We covered a lot of history and controversial topics arising from the multi-culturality society in the states. It amazed me how delicately people avoided the subjects of race (although gender was discussed more often) like the friggin plague. The discussion was filled with comments which amounted to "Racism is so bad" and "Gee, I am glad we don't live in a racist society anymore." It was truly amazing. I stoked the fire just a very few times because I couldn't stomach the comments, but overall I wimped out on forcing the issues.
So, good on ya, OP, for taking on the crowd. No matter what you say, people who have the guts to speak their mind on such issues are going to find many, if not most, people are going to come out swinging because there is really very little convergence of opinion on the issues. I noticed most of the comments just cut you down. Few wanted to discuss it in much detail. I suppose the least the detractors could do is engage and discuss. Nah! Why bother, right? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| This is what makes this board fun. People like the OP trying to write serious posts but failing gloriously and coming off looking laughable. Rock on doulouz. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I suppose the least the detractors could do is engage and discuss. Nah! Why bother, right? |
If we "engage and discuss" we imply that he has a valid position. He's a self confessed racist who is against inter breeding. And he did not make salient points himself, just stated his opinion. I can't see the point in encouraging him. To have an intellectual discussion with him is to dignify his racial bigotry. His position is not intellectually thought through, nor sound in any way. Why allow him to pretend that it is? |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
A good mix of genes makes for very beautiful people, whereas a small genepool makes for f-ing ugly people. I'm very surprised Koreans are so good-looking because Korea's so homogenous genetically. I was expecting Koreans to be bloody ugly as a result but that's TOTALLY not the case. They may be an exception, because I've seen highly inbred communities in England, Wales, elsewhere in Europe and in the USA and the people are so god damn ugly it's unbelievable. I'm English, so it pains me to say this, but the English (not all of them obviously) are the most inbred race I've ever seen. Many people in England - because of CLASS - are still to this day totally unable and unwilling to form even the most basic social relations outside their own immediate social class, peer group, perhaps even family in extreme cases (let alone race). They're the lowest form of human life in my opinion. Yes, I'm pro-inter-racial breeding, big time. |
I agree -The English are basically an Island race- and generally fairly ugly (sory spin).. but they are hardly inbred: England was subject to many invasions and cross cultural mixing from the days of empire and earlier. I agree there are a lot of uptight snobby types in Pomland that are totally unable to relate to anyone from outside their social group except in a condescending sort of way.
Yet they are still wretchedly ugly.
Not sure about the whole inbreeding concept! "Purity" produces as much beauty in my mind as does genetic mixing. Think of Koreans..Scandinavians..Thais...Cambodians, Laoatians, vietnamese..etc all quite "inbred" in the sense that their ancestry has been untouched for many many generations.. yet attractive.
-then you have Brazillians who are a glorious mixture- some of thebest lookers out there.
My own theory is that it is simply a result of "evolution". Certain societies favor certain characteristics, others have a physical appearance suited to their environment..and so on.
So..if anyone can fill me in..Does racial mixing necessarily produce a super race of good looking people??Not sure it does.. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| I dont know about the good looking part, but racial mixing is supposed to create genetically stronger offspring in terms of health and robustness. Can`t remember the science well, something about how each parent is able to pass on thier strong genes. It`s called "hybrid vigour". So far it`s not totally beyond questioning, because it`s only been tested on plants. It definitely works for plants though. |
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