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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: Hines Ward English school |
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No joke. I was talking to a guy and he says that his director wants to "upgrade" his business and now wants to take advantage of the hype. Yes, apparently Hines is now a full blooded Korean and soon Korean kids will be wanting learn about football. I told him that maybe his director can open a Hines Ward football hagwon and they can hire some westerners to teach the game. Apparently, you win an MVP and everybody claims you and supposedly loves you. But you toil for years in the NFL and nobody knows about you and you are neglected by the Korean media. To the Koreans: Hines Ward is an AMERICAN citizen. He father is AFRICAN-AMERICAN. He is famous for his participation in AMERICAN football(something that Koreans have absolutely no knowledge of). He got his chance in AMERICA and not Korea where he would have been considered at racial garbage(you know that Korean tv ads used to tell pure Koreans to basically shun mixed kids). Disgusting. Now you use his status, when before you could have given a crap about him, just to further your agenda about finding someone in your supposedly 11th ranked economy that can actually be recognized. There isn't one "pure" Korean...like Hwang...so you have to choose a citizen from another country who is only part Asian. Sad, sad, sad......
Of course, with the Olympic thing and Ohno, I'll bet Hines gets thrown on the backburner... |
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capebretoncanadian

Joined: 20 Feb 2005
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Hines Ward English school |
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Wishmaster wrote: |
. Apparently, you win an MVP and everybody claims you and supposedly loves you. But you toil for years in the NFL and nobody knows about you and you are neglected by the Korean media. To the Koreans: Hines Ward is an AMERICAN citizen. He father is AFRICAN-AMERICAN. He is famous for his participation in AMERICAN football(something that Koreans have absolutely no knowledge of). |
I don't know about this. I watched football on SBS every weekend, they had Korean commentators and everything. They MOST CERTAINLY knew about Ward before he won the MVP. They probably showed Steelers games 40% of the time....on their other choices they showed better judgement than AFN programmers. In these games the Korean dudes would go ON and ON about Ward this Ward that. They knew before and embraced it before that he was an excellent NFL player. I didn't know Ward was part Korean until half way through the season....when their constant talking about him got me to research it. He was injured for a couple games and they still did nothing but talk about him!!I love their pronunciation of his name too Heinsu Wardu hahaha......anyway thought I might jump to the defence of the Koreans on that topic |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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He got his chance in AMERICA and not Korea where he would have been considered at racial garbage(you know that Korean tv ads used to tell pure Koreans to basically shun mixed kids). |
I have to agree with this one. Why do you think is parents left Korea so quickly and that he has never visited Korean since leaving? His mother could barely speak English but stayed in the U.S. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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In Korea if you're mixed blood, they hate you until you become famous. Will this change the lives of half-black Koreans living in this country? I highly doubt it.
But yeah, it's good that they can move to an open-minded country like America where black people are totally embraced without any bigotry.
I say wait a few months until they realise he's a football player, and thus up to his armpits in hookers and performance-enhancing drugs. Then they'll move on. I want to see Korea become obsessed with curling next. Or lawn darts. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
I say wait a few months until they realise he's a football player, and thus up to his armpits in hookers and performance-enhancing drugs. |
That's unfair. Ward is a consummate teammate and a standup guy. He deserves every ounce of success he's achieved; he's a devoted husband and father; and he's about the best son a mother could ask for. A lot of athletes deserve derision, but Ward isn't one.
Sparkles*_* |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:07 am Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
In Korea if you're mixed blood, they hate you until you become famous. Will this change the lives of half-black Koreans living in this country? I highly doubt it.
But yeah, it's good that they can move to an open-minded country like America where black people are totally embraced without any bigotry.
I say wait a few months until they realise he's a football player, and thus up to his armpits in hookers and performance-enhancing drugs. Then they'll move on. I want to see Korea become obsessed with curling next. Or lawn darts. |
nice stereotype there buddy....  |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:21 am Post subject: |
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In Korea if you're mixed blood, they hate you until you become famous. Will this change the lives of half-black Koreans living in this country? I highly doubt it. |
To begin with most sterotypes are based on reality. Even though it is distorted.
quote from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06045/654945.stm
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Biracial men have been banned from the South Korean military, although the Defense Ministry announced Friday, in a move that some attributed to the Hines Ward phenomenon, that the policy is being changed. |
Biracial men are banned from the military. Even if they only speak Korean and have never known another country. It is clear that even the Korean government has promoted a policy of shunning mixed children.
Furthermore you can read an account of one mixed-race girl in Korea who does not speak any English:
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"If he had grown up here instead of the United States, he would have had a hard time," said Park Mi Na, a 17-year-old mixed-race high school student. Park, who bears a strong resemblance to the black American father she has not seen since she was 2, said she has been taunted by children her entire life and stared at strangely by adults "as if I were an alien from outer space |
Ward's mother noted recently,
"Even Korean people who looked educated spat when we walked by,"
Do we really need any further proof!!!
Steelers' Ward a hit in Korea
You can read the entire article by clicking on the link.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06045/654945.stm |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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JZer wrote: |
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In Korea if you're mixed blood, they hate you until you become famous. Will this change the lives of half-black Koreans living in this country? I highly doubt it. |
To begin with most sterotypes are based on reality. Even though it is distorted.
quote from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06045/654945.stm
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Biracial men have been banned from the South Korean military, although the Defense Ministry announced Friday, in a move that some attributed to the Hines Ward phenomenon, that the policy is being changed. |
Biracial men are banned from the military. Even if they only speak Korean and have never known another country. It is clear that even the Korean government has promoted a policy of shunning mixed children.
Furthermore you can read an account of one mixed-race girl in Korea who does not speak any English:
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"If he had grown up here instead of the United States, he would have had a hard time," said Park Mi Na, a 17-year-old mixed-race high school student. Park, who bears a strong resemblance to the black American father she has not seen since she was 2, said she has been taunted by children her entire life and stared at strangely by adults "as if I were an alien from outer space |
Ward's mother noted recently,
"Even Korean people who looked educated spat when we walked by,"
Do we really need any further proof!!!
Steelers' Ward a hit in Korea
You can read the entire article by clicking on the link.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06045/654945.stm |
Maybe cubanlord meant the stereotype was that he is '... a football player, and thus up to his armpits in hookers and performance-enhancing drugs.'
That's what I understood, anyway. |
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noguri

Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Location: korea
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:46 am Post subject: debate is opened |
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It is true that Korea has been openly racist but beyond the mindless hype, Hines Ward has actually contributed to opening debate about racism in Korea. I've been told by Koreans that OhMyNews ran a series of interviews with Korean teenagers who are half-black and they spoke in no uncertain terms about the cruel treatment they received from their classmates. Also, Ward's mom was interviewed and she said that when she visited Korea when Hines was a child, people on the street literally spit on her.
The debate has been opened somewhat and is also feeding into the debate on all the Kosians, or Korean-Asians. They are half-Korean children of factory workers and mail-order brides from Phillipines, Indonesia, Vietnam, Bangladesh, etc. Suddenly a country with no history of immigration or racial diversity is now faced with a lot of cultural diversity and Korea is not prepared to understand it.
Hines Ward is the perfect person to help Koreans begin to understand that today's Korea is more diverse than it ever has been; and that they should embrace this and make their society open to half-Koreans.
Some Koreans have even said that the Kosian issue could become similar to the problem in France with the Algerians and Moroccans who rioted recently, if half-bloods continue to be shut out of Korean society as they have been. There are calls for change. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: |
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In Korea if you're mixed blood, they hate you until you become famous. Will this change the lives of half-black Koreans living in this country? I highly doubt it. |
cubanlord also included the part about Koreans not liking mixed children. So I thought that he was trying to say that Koreans are not racist. Sorry if I misunderstood what he was saying. Anyways I thought that everyone would be interested in the article. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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JZer wrote: |
Ward's mother noted recently,
"Even Korean people who looked educated spat when we walked by,"
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To be fair, it's been my experience that many Koreans -- the cultured and uncultured alike -- spit whenever and wherever they please. It shouldn't be that shocking to Ms. Ward.
(being spit on is another kettle of fish, of course)
Sparkles*_* |
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JZer
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:26 am Post subject: |
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To be fair, it's been my experience that many Koreans -- the cultured and uncultured alike -- spit whenever and wherever they please. It shouldn't be that shocking to Ms. Ward. |
Well since Ms. Kim, which is her name, is Korean. I imagine she could determine whether the people were just spitting a big one or spitting at her in disgust.
Tiberious aka Sparkles, are you really from Punxy? I am from Indiana County. I played baseball in Punxy before. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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gypsyfish wrote: |
JZer wrote: |
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In Korea if you're mixed blood, they hate you until you become famous. Will this change the lives of half-black Koreans living in this country? I highly doubt it. |
To begin with most sterotypes are based on reality. Even though it is distorted.
quote from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06045/654945.stm
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Biracial men have been banned from the South Korean military, although the Defense Ministry announced Friday, in a move that some attributed to the Hines Ward phenomenon, that the policy is being changed. |
Biracial men are banned from the military. Even if they only speak Korean and have never known another country. It is clear that even the Korean government has promoted a policy of shunning mixed children.
Furthermore you can read an account of one mixed-race girl in Korea who does not speak any English:
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"If he had grown up here instead of the United States, he would have had a hard time," said Park Mi Na, a 17-year-old mixed-race high school student. Park, who bears a strong resemblance to the black American father she has not seen since she was 2, said she has been taunted by children her entire life and stared at strangely by adults "as if I were an alien from outer space |
Ward's mother noted recently,
"Even Korean people who looked educated spat when we walked by,"
Do we really need any further proof!!!
Steelers' Ward a hit in Korea
You can read the entire article by clicking on the link.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06045/654945.stm |
Maybe cubanlord meant the stereotype was that he is '... a football player, and thus up to his armpits in hookers and performance-enhancing drugs.'
That's what I understood, anyway. |
you are correct. It was about the football player stigma. I should have been more clear. |
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