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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vertical loser wrote:
Maybe there are sub-sects within the Freemasons.

It would seem that's inded a fair & accurate assessment Idea

vertical loser wrote:
I had a friend in New Zealand whose father was a prominent member, in England. What she told me about what hapenned to her a a child as part of Freemason rituals was so incredulous I dismissed it. Then I picked up a book a while later which made allegations about the Freemasons which precisely mirrored her claims. Scary stuff. I won't recount the claims here, as they are just too horrible for public consumption.

I think most people here are adult enough to digest what you have to offer.
As responsible citizens it's important that we're informed.

If it's too graphick simply use tact & sensitivity.

An overwhelming # of police & judges & lawyers, as well the good "spooky" folks who occupy
the ranks of intel. agencies are masons. Same goes for academia, media, entertainers & military etc as well.

IN England in fact, in order to enter into the higher ranks of the police force etc. you MUST be a mason Twisted Evil

Neat eh?

http://www.lonelantern.org/downloads/The%20Lightbringers%20-%20The%20Emissaries%20of%20Jahbulon%20(Juri%20Lina%20surveys%20the%20history%20of%20freemasonry).wmv

http://www.lonelantern.org/downloads/The%20Illuminati%20-%201%20of%204%20-%20Blair's%20Biggest%20Secret,%20is%20he%20a%20Freemason%20(2005)(XviD-osgorth).wmv

http://www.lonelantern.org/downloads/The%20Light%20Behind%20Masonry.wmv

http://www.lonelantern.org/downloads/
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vertical loser



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take one bucket of freshly sacrificed goat's blood, an eight year old girl, some rope, a crude bed, and a group of sexually aroused midddle aged men. Mix them together... you work out the rest.
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Xian



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albert Pike, the #1 Freemason of all time seems an interesting character, especially when you dig a little into the work he put into building up Freemasonary and some of his lifestyle practices.

Anyway, here is an interesting link re - Freemasonry. (Anti Masonry article).

http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vertical loser wrote:
Take one bucket of freshly sacrificed goat's blood, an eight year old girl, some rope, a crude bed, and a group of sexually aroused midddle aged men. Mix them together... you work out the rest.


Uhhhhh ... yah. The dots aren't too hard too connect Shocked

Sounds like a few sickos were sucked into a kinky intitiation blackmail scenario. Willing servants indeed Twisted Evil

Geeeez, i wonder how widespread this is within their "lodges"? Too bad we only have lurkers here & noone willing to step forward in defense of their cult.

*shrugs*

http://www.lonelantern.org/downloads/The%20Light%20Behind%20Masonry.wmv

Xian wrote:
Albert Pike, the #1 Freemason of all time seems an interesting character, especially when you dig a little into the work he put into building up Freemasonary and some of his lifestyle practices.

Anyway, here is an interesting link re - Freemasonry. (Anti Masonry article).

http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html


Good one Xian ...

While there's one could say about the ol' "Worshipful Master", the one thing i'll always remember is how Pike is said to have actually forecast the war we NOW see raging between Islam & Zion-ISM.


Read all about it HERE:
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:PG7F7q1rQZ4J:www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm+pike+islam+war+zionism+&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
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tony602



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject: specific reply to diablo3 Reply with quote

Back here in the U.S., many states, including where I live in Maine, now require fingerprinting for anyone who wishes to work in public schools right down to the custodial staff, and must pass a state criminal history records check before employment...another way for "big brother" to keep watch, possibly, but not a horrible idea/policy at the core intended to keep children safe from the various "monsters" out there.......as for the freemasons.....no one here has mentioned ties to the illuminati, who are the alleged actual upper echelon of the masonry hierarchy, apparently so clandestine that only masons of certain "degrees" are ever allowed, or invited to join...George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Ben Franklin among many others are some of the most prominent members of freemasonry/illuminati of American origin.......plus, I hope some of you research the new structures at the Denver Int'l Airport, the alleged massive underground structure, artistic sculptures and decorations at the airport that are unusaully placed and unusually pagan in origin, and the significance of a recently created epi-center for the new world order as dictated by freemason and illuminati beliefs, right under the feet of all those who travel through Denver....

For those seeking more recreational/entertaing reading about the topic, instead of some of the purported "historical non-fiction" titles, I highly recommend Dan Brown's Angels and Demons. For those familiar with Davinci Code, A&D's is a prequel to Davinci with Robert Langdon as same main character, much quicker in pace (24hrs), just as intelligent and well researched, and oddly off the radar screen especially concerning very recent history (I wont destroy the plot any further)......and tackles the very topic of freemasonry and the illuminati. I dug it so much that I added one of the illustrations to my tattoo collection (and no none are visible, Im a newbie and none of the korean staff will ever see them!!!) thats my two cents.....
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Xian



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a bit on Albert Pike for the interested reader.

In the words of Albert Pike himself:

Albert Pike, that preeminent Masonic authority, says that Masons below the 32nd degree are intentionally misled by false interpretations but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. The truth is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (those of the 32nd and 33rd degrees- Morals and Dogma, page 819). Although they have 33 degrees, only 32 can be earned. The reason is that those who are given the rank of 33rd will be selected from those who have already been 33rd degree masons. They want to be sure that they are choosing someone who will be "one of the boys".


A brief history

'Thirty-third degree Freemason Albert Pike (1809-1891), the man destined to develop the Luciferian Doctrine for the Masonic hierarchy, could not accept the Lucifer and Satan were the same personality. While teaching his beliefs to a select few in the Supreme Council, Pike became the most powerful Mason in the world. Although an obscure general in the Confederate Army during the American Civil War, he was hardly inconspicuous in Freemasonry. From 1859 until his death in 1891, Pike occupied simultaneously the positions of Grand Master of the Central Directory at Washington, D.C., Grand Commander of the Supreme Council at Charleston, S.C., and Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry. He was an honorary member of almost every Supreme Council in the world, personally receiving 130 Masonic degrees.
Pike also was one of the most physically and morally repulsive individuals in American history. Weighing well over three hundred pounds, his sexual proclivity was to sit naked astride a phallic throne in the woods, accompanied by a gang of prostitutes. To these orgies he would bring one or more wagonloads of food and liquor, most of which he would consume over a period of two days until he passed into a stupor.
In his adopted state of Arkansas, Pike was well known as a practitioner of Satanism, Portraits of his later years show him wearing a symbol of the Baphomet around his neck. Pike, however, did not believe the Baphomet was Satan. In Morals and Dogma he explains that this symbol was "misunderstood by those who were not adepts"; that it was "invented ages before, to conceal what it was (too) dangerous to avow."
Pike, a gifted polyglot who mastered sixteen ancient languages, discovered that the Baphomet was originally a symbol of Lucifer, the hermaphrodite god of pagans. He found in paganism no adversary known as Satan. Satan was mentioned only in the Bible, and according to Pike, was a fabrication of Christians. "Thus", writes Pike, "the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer...." '
- Scarlet and the Beast, John Daniel, Vol 2, Page 37

Some later reports say that he did practice Satanism. There is so much more that one could put in about Pike.
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mysteriousdeltarays



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you guys are getting a little paranoid to say the least.

It is a little strange to take any of this seriously. Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum pretty well covers everything in The Name of the Rose on one page. Has a theme too. It's about how crazy people who take such things really are.

When I was a senior in high school, my buddy and I had a few beers, when he suddenly remembered he had to go to some Masonic meeting with his parents. We go to his home, he hoped the family had already left. He didn't want to go. Rather than argue with him and be late or be faced with giving me a ride home they took me along.

It was at best idiotic. All sorts of "rituals" but these were of the ... let's just say it was a laugh. A lot of marching around with colored flags etc. It was sort of the Chamber of Commerce types go to a fraternity initiation. There was nothing "mystical" about it at all. Sort of like Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble putting on their buffalo head hats and going to their lodge.

It was basically just glad handing of the the pure chamber of commerce variety straight out of Winesberg Ohio.

Willy Lomax was no doubt a high functionary!

But then again... maybe that is exactly what they wanted me to think. My God that is just about when... they must have put a chip in my head!!!

I know there is a box in my room t looks sort of like a computer but isn't one. Sometimes I push a button and little people appear. But they are not of this earth. They are too small. They speak to me. Sometimes they try to sell me underwear. Once I pushed a button on it and leaped to another planet! Girls wearing almost nothing were walking down a runway, clearly from the Mother Ship towards me!

It was clearly the Golden Section incarnate in little homunculai! Little Rosicrucians all bearing the holy grail with in them. More implants!

I should take the razor and slash my eyes a la Andalusian Dogs. Maybe just cut my ear off and send it to one of the supermodels before the Masons kill me for revealing to many of their arcane secrets.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mason just a clever transposition of Manson. This is made readily clear by any kabbalistic interpretation of the Beatles's Revolution Number Nine read Revelation's Number Nine and the need to take the Dune Buggy Attack Battalion to The Desert (emotional, and psychological) that is the Here/ Now that is termed Vunder Lund (in the original Aryan) in the sacred on-line text sent to me by one of the recruiters today.
http://www.ourhollowearth.com/
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:

As responsible citizens it's important that we're informed.

If it's too graphick simply use tact & sensitivity.

Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



http://www.trosch.org/bks/history_masonry-muslim1.rm
http://www.trosch.org/bks/history_masonry-muslim2.rm
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Hanyang



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:54 pm    Post subject: WHAT IS FREEMASONRY? (Grand Lodge of Scotland Application) Reply with quote

There have been a great number of definitions of Freemasonry. Perhaps the best, and certainly the simplest, is, ��Freemasonry is a system of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols.�� The idea of teaching by allegories and symbols is not new. All great teachers have, more or less, followed this method.

The system of morality to which we have referred as Freemasonry is that which every Freemason is bound to profess and practice. If it includes principles with which he was familiar before his entrance into Freemasonry, he will nevertheless find these presented in new ways and in forms different from those with which he was previously familiar. If he finds in Masonic teachings nothing startlingly new, he must remember that, in some respects at least, there is ��nothing new under the sun�� and that the essence of morality is to be found in the utter simplicity (though not the ease) of its requirements.

The elementary principles of Freemasonry are exemplified in the three degrees worked in every regular Masonic Lodge throughout the world. Nearly every community of any size in the British Isles has one or more Masonic Lodges in it. The same is true in many other parts of the world, notably in the English-speaking countries.

Each Lodge has its own Office-bearers, headed by a Master; its own Committees and, in some cases, its own property. On the other hand, each Lodge is subjected to the authority of the Grand Lodge of the country or state which holds its Charter. The three British Grand Lodges have also many Lodges in countries overseas – particularly in countries of the Commonwealth, and many of the Commonwealth countries have Grand Lodges of their own. In becoming a member of a Lodge under the Scottish Constitution you have become subject not only to the general customs and usages of the Craft, but also the Laws and Regulations of the Grand Lodge of Scotland, as well as to the Bye-Laws of the particular Lodge which you join. However, Freemasonry will never require of you anything which might conflict with your duty to God, to your country, to your neighbor or to your family.

In your progress through Freemasonry, which may well take many weeks or even months, you will be ��initiated�� as an Entered Apprentice; ��passed�� as a Fellow Craft and ��raised�� as a Master Mason. There is a ritualistic ceremony of a most serious character appropriate to each stage in your progress. You will be asked, too, to give a most solemn and binding promise never to disclose the nature of these ceremonies under any circumstances. Bearing in mind what has been said in the previous paragraph, you will not be asked to promise anything which will conflict with your religious, civil or other duties. Your first duty is to approach each ceremony calmly and solemnly, with mind and spirit attentive to the lessons which will be imparted.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: WHAT FREEMASONRY IS NOT Reply with quote

WHAT FREEMASONRY IS NOT

So that you may not have a mistaken idea of what Freemasonry is, it may well be to point out some of the things which Freemasonry is NOT, and which it has never claimed to be.

1. Freemasonry is NOT a religion nor a substitute for religion. It has a philosophy of its own which it believes to be compatible with the teachings of the Church and other similar religious institutions. The teachings of Freemasonry transcend all denominational and sectarian divisions. In the field of human conduct it is complementary to religion, but religious topics may not be discussed in any Lodge.
2. Contrary to the opinion held by many, Freemasonry is not a charitable institution, as such. It is true that one of the fundamental principles of Freemasonry is the practice of relief, and a Freemason will necessarily minister to the widows and fatherless in their affliction.�� But these and other similar modes of conduct must proceed from that ��purity of life and conduct�� which is one of the great objectives of all Masonic teachings.
3. Freemasonry does not insure its members against the vicissitudes of old age; provides no sick benefits of any kind. Not that Freemasonry disbelieves in these and other means by which modern civilizations undertakes to reduce the suffering and privation – quite the contrary. But it confines the matter of individual relief to those cases where such relief becomes necessary, in spite of all the efforts of a Brother or his family to maintain their economic independence. Your part of this work is far more likely to be that of a contributor than a beneficiary, except in the larger sense, in which every man benefits from the fact that ��it is more blessed to give than receive.��
4. Freemasonry does not lend itself to the promoting of selfish or mercenary interests. Any underlying purpose of such a nature in your mind will eventually become apparent to your Brethren and you will inevitably suffer the loss of their respect. A Freemason may support any good cause that he will, but he may not persuade or try to persuade his Lodge to lend their support to his chosen charitable work.
5. Freemasonry is not connected in any way with a political creed. A freemason��s political views are his own and a Lodge may well have members belonging to many different political parties. For that reason, no discussion of political matters is permitted in a Lodge. A Brother may not seek to persuade his Brethren in Lodge to adopt this of that view in matters of government – local, national or international.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: WHOM MAY BECOME A FREEMASON? Reply with quote

WHOM MAY BECOME A FREEMASON?

Not every man can fulfill the requirements that Freemasonry asks of her aspirants. The primary requirement is, of course, moral character. One whose reputation in the community is in any way questionable cannot expect to become a Mason. But there are other requirements which the petitioner must have, such as:

1. He must be a believer in God, the Supreme Being.
2. He must be a loyal citizen, willing to discharge his duties to God, to his neighbor and to himself.
3. He must be at least twenty-one years of age (unless his father is or was a Freemason when the age of admission may be reduced, at the discretion of the Lodge, to eighteen).
4. He must be in such financial circumstances that he can maintain himself as a member of his Lodge, meeting the monetary obligations imposed by being a member, without detriment to his family or himself.
5. You as a potential Freemason, and like Masons in all ages before you, must come of your own accord to knock at the door of the Craft. Two Brethren must recommend you, indeed they must do more – they will have to vouch for your character and sincerity of your motives. In a very real sense they are your Masonic sponsors. You, for your part, have the responsibility of seeing that they and others who have accepted their assurances will not be disappointed.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: WHAT FREEMASONRY EXPECTS OF YOU Reply with quote

WHAT FREEMASONRY EXPECTS OF YOU

The privileges of Freemasonry are no greater than the responsibilities of its members. Your obligations will not conflict with those you have already assumed by virtue of your membership in modern society. On the contrary, Freemasonry reiterates and re-emphasizes them.

Thus, in asking Freemasonry to share with you its past, its present and its future and all the privileges of its Brotherhood, you must bear in mind the fact that the relationship is a reciprocal one and that certain things are expected of you. Remember always:

1. The calling of a Freemason is a high one and you should never suffer yourself to depart from it.
2. Loyalty to home, to country and to the Craft is expected of you at all times.
3. Patriotism is a bounden duty and you must not countenance disloyalty or rebellion.
4. That Freemasonry recognizes that all men, whether Masons or not, are Brothers by birth, endowed with the same nature, and sharing the same hopes.
5. That Freemasonry champions the cause of the widow, the fatherless, the weak and the distressed.
6. That the time honored virtues cherished by our forefathers are still to be observed among Masons and that humility, patience, charity and gentleness are among the hallmarks of purity and integrity of character.

Extract from the Masonic Constitution and Laws relation to this Applications:

��Every candidate for initiation or affiliation must present an application to a Daughter Lodge, giving his name, occupation, date and place of birth, nationality, and residence, and declaring (1) whether he has ever made application for admission to a Lodge, under Grand Lodge or any sister Grand Lodge, and, if so, when and to which Lodge or Lodges, and (2) whether he has been refused admission, and, if so, when and by which Lodge or Lodes. If application has been made to any Lodge and subsequently withdrawn, that fact, and the reason for withdrawal, must also be declared. Every application shall be subscribed by the candidate and by two qualified members of the Daughter Lodge, as his proposer and seconder. An application for initiation shall not be received from a person who is a deaf mute, or whose application for admission to another Lodge has been disposed of, but Lodges may exercise their discretion as to the initiation of candidates who are mutilated in, or minus, a limb. An application shall not be considered from a person who is totally blind except by dispensation from the Grand Master Mason, the fee for which shall be payable by the applicant in addition to the initiation fee. Any candidate who does not present himself for initiation or affiliation within twelve months after he has passed the ballot must make a fresh application, which shall be dealt with in all respects as if it were an original application.

A Daughter Lodge shall not consider an application for initiation by any candidate whose place of residence is in England or Ireland, or in any place where the United Grand Lodge of England or the Grand Lodge of Ireland has exclusive Masonic Jurisdiction, without first obtaining a Dispensation from the Grand Master Mason, the fee for which shall be payable by the candidate in addition to his initiation fee. This Law shall not apply to members of Her Majesty��s Forces on the active list, or to applicants for admission to any University, College or School Lodge.��
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Part 2 of application Reply with quote

Name in Full......................................................................................

Spouse/Partner��s Name����������������������������������������

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How long resident in the neighborhood of this Province or District? ..................................

If you have not resided, carried on business, or been employed within the neighborhood of the Province or District in which the Lodge is situated during the past three years, please state previous permanent address.

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Have you ever made application for admission to a Lodge under this or any other Grand Lodge?

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If you have made application to a Lodge and subsequently withdrawn this, please give details

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I hereby declare that these particulars are true, that I have read the foregoing text and Laws and hereby make application for admission to the aforementioned Lodge.

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