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Do you pronounce the T?
Yes, I always pronounce it.
41%
 41%  [ 14 ]
Yes, sometimes.
32%
 32%  [ 11 ]
Nope, not if I can help it.
26%
 26%  [ 9 ]
I never say the word.
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Total Votes : 34

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visitor q



Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Location: The epitome of altruism - Oh Obese Newfoundler, I Am Going To Throttle Your Neck, Kaffir

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: Often Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Personally I think it sounds a little low class to say offen, but to each his own. So, do you pronounce the "T" in Often?


Yeah, it is low-class, just like those N-Americans that can't pronounce the 'h' in herb.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two of my dictionaries show both pronunciations to be correct. I teach the kids "offen" but I let them say "of-ten" if they like it.

Some people think saying the "T" in often is low class.

Yeah, it is low-class, just like those Brits that can't pronounce the "h" in history. Wink
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My students usually say Ohpootun.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still stand by what I said about it being lazy not to pronounce the "t." I didn't necessarily say it was unintelligent not to pronounce the "t," I said that it SOUNDS unintelligent. And yes, I agree such things can be regional.

I'm from the Ottawa Valley, a place that is known for such lazy speech. When I first started working in radio some listeners and producers complained about the way I was pronouncing certain words. The reason I did it was because it was the way everyone around me said it when I was growing up.

I've had to make conscious efforts to change my pronunciation so that I don't SOUND stupid on the air. You might not notice it so much in a casual conversation, but when you put it over the airwaves the problem intensifies. If you SOUND unintelligent it takes away from the credibility of what you are saying.

"Often" would be one of those words that I would be sure to pronounce with the "t" to avoid the pronunciation police (and believe me, there are people out there in radioland just waiting to jump on you for such injustices!)
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vox



Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No 't' in often for my corner of the English-speaking world.

Captain Corea wrote:
Thanks for the relies to htis guys.


Hey do you pronounce the 'p' in replies?

Laughing Laughing Laughing
Tee hee hee

just kidding
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like about 70% of people here often pronounce the t. Wink


oh and:
vox wrote:
No 't' in often for my corner of the English-speaking world.

Captain Corea wrote:
Thanks for the relies to htis guys.


Hey do you pronounce the 'p' in replies?

Laughing Laughing Laughing
Tee hee hee

just kidding


You're trying to tell me you use the "p" in replies? Now that's juts silillie
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gypsyfish



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Mac wrote:
I still stand by what I said about it being lazy not to pronounce the "t." I didn't necessarily say it was unintelligent not to pronounce the "t," I said that it SOUNDS unintelligent. And yes, I agree such things can be regional. ... "Often" would be one of those words that I would be sure to pronounce with the "t" to avoid the pronunciation police (and believe me, there are people out there in radioland just waiting to jump on you for such injustices!)


I'm NOT saying that you are unintelligent. Don't think that.

But, when faced with proof that both pronunciations are correct (dictionary proof, forget the anecdotal where-I-come-from proof), why would you maintain that it is 'lazy' not to pronounce the /t/?

The reason I ask this is because I see it happen a lot on this board. A poster will ask a grammar question, receive an answer with documentation and the OP, or another poster, will say something like, 'Well, I don't care what the experts say, I think it's wrong and I'm going to teach my students what I think.'

This attitude reminds me of the Bush/Cheney statements that even though I now know we went into Iraq because of bad intelligence/even though I now know that the woman I allowed release information about my shooting my hunting partner because I thought she could do it accurately but didn't, I wouldn't do anything differently. (Sorry about this gi-normous sentence.)

I worry about some of the things some of us are teaching our students. They have it hard enough some of the stuff they learn in Korean school - will being the preferred future tense instead of be going to, Korea being the only country to have four distinct seasons, etc, ad nauseum - without us adding to the misinformation. On a more practical level, it makes it harder for teachers teaching the correct information.

Wouldn't it be better to say that often can be pronounced both ways. This is what I do. I also do it when I am aware of differences between American and British English (and other permutations when I know about them).
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wouldn't it be better to say that often can be pronounced both ways. This is what I do. I also do it when I am aware of differences between American and British English (and other permutations when I know about them).


Actually, that is kind of the reason I made this poll. Because I was told that you should never pronounce the "t", I figured I'd find out what others thought.

Now I know, and heck, I might just print off this page and give my students a laugh.
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