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[chiaa]

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how many olympic golds have canada won in Ice hockey? and how many have usa won?

or what about world championships? any stats to show canada out shines usa?

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Canada, 7 Gold medals. US has 2.

It wasn't until 1998 that the best players actually went to the Olympics. O's prior to that and all of our best players were busy. (I know, "as were everyone else's)

Seriously though, asking who's better at Hockey out of Canada and USA is like asking who's better at baseball, USA or Mexico.

The true sign of which country is better, is the NHL's all time point getters:

Top 10: no American. All Canadian

Top 20: 1 American. And he was actually born in Canada (Brett Hull). 17 are Canadian, one Finn (who lived off a Canadian), and one Czech.

[mindmetoo]

Ultimately, I really can't get my freak on for a bunch of pro hoggy players at the Olympics.

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[inspector gadget]

The only thing Quinn has won was the world cup, he has been part of more losing squads than winners thats for sure.

I disagree with the fact that a coach can only make a bad decision by say picking guys for a shootout.

[u]The main goal for a coach is to be a motivator,[/u] that being getting the team to believe in a system that works and will have success with.

I have not given up hope, yes we have two losses but they can still win gold, no doubt about it and it may serve as MOTIVATION for them if and only if QUINN does a good job as a coach from here on in.

I also agree that it is easy to second guess player selection and yes we could field likely three very competative teams.

I simply feel that some selections were made on past performances and biased opinions from influencial people in Hockey Canada. Why were they so focused on picking people who either represented Canada at a previous Olympics or World Cup?????? Give some other guys a chance to prove themselves.

Guys I think were the wrong selections this time around and a quick Why

Bertuzzi: lousy attitude, low moral standards and not a great season.(this is a good example for the youth of canada, oh its okay if I commit assault, I can still be picked to represent my country)

Doan: Come on now, hes a decent player but the overriding reason he was named was that Gretzky owns the Coyotes

Draper: ya is a good checker but really, do you not think there are more talented and skilled players that are also good checkers.

Richards: okay he had one good year when the lightning won the cup but really now is he that good.

St. Louis: he's decent but certainly would be hard pressed to be named in the top 30 Canadians in the NHL if you polled 100 canadians

Nash: correct me if I am wrong but didn't he just start playing about a month ago? I am certain that he is not in playing shape as so many other canadians would have been.

I won't bother with the defence selections because I think Canada has focused too much on offence when they selected defenceman.

The other thing I would like to mention is that although Canada's National sport should logically be Hockey, its NOT (unless they changed it and didn't tell Canadians).

Our National sport is Lacrosse

I would have preferred if the coach was not a current NHLer, there is a long list of coaches that could have been putting a lot more effort into preperation for the games, while coaches like Quinn were busy attempting to motivate the Leafs and worrying about his future in the GTA.

Is Canada better than the USA, historicly speaking as a team yes.
Does Canada produce good hockey players, yes Chiaa's post describes that to a T

Still lots of hope for the canadian men but they need a coach who can motivate them, maybe Quinn maybe not. I think Ken Hitchcock may have some ideas for Quinn, maybe Quinn will listen to one of his assistants.

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Any team can beat another team on a particular night especially if the goaltender stands on his head. Team Canada ran into brilliant goal tending against the Swiss.

If you remember, Hasek played fanastic in the semi final game in the 98 olympics. Canada was allover the Checz. Hazek stood on his head and you just knew they were holding out for a shoot out as Hasek was the best goaltender in the world at that time. Also Crawford, the bone head, had no idea what he was doing when he picked the players for the shoot out.

I'm not to worried about Canada as they still can win the gold as they just need time to gel. Canada started slow out of the gate in Salt Lake City and got better with each game.

I've always liked Pat Quin as a coach as he did a great job in Vancouver. The only knock against him is he maybe too loyal to his players and unwilling to trade them.

Don't jump off the bandwagon yet. Must be a bunch of Leafs fans!

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Not a leafs fan, but what did Quinn ever do in Vancouver?

Anyway I took a few minutes for the he?? of it and came up with a roster that I think would have better suited our chance at repeating as Gold medalists.

As many have said its hard to second guess but here's what I think.


Brendon Shannahan Jason Spezza Danny Heatley

Spezza and Heatley are linmates and Shannahan is likely one of the top 5 RW's of the last 15 years and would have no trouble playing on his opposite wing, a sure lock for the hall and a veteran that would compliment the two youngsters


Alex Tanguay Joe Sakic Jerome Iginla


Again alex and joe are linemates, look at alex's production he's awesome, jerome would also likely be in the top RW's in the last 15 years. This would be an exciting and high scoring trio

Simon Gagne Vinny Lecavalier Paul Kariya


Vinny is a playmaker thats his best quality, simon is one of the purest goal scorers we have and guess what paul is a perfect compilation of those two qualities and he like shannahan would have no problem playing is off wing because he is one of the smartest players around.

Ryan Smith Joe Thornton Eric Staal

If you need a muckers line, here it is, Thornton has been a top 10 player for many years now, Smith is talented but his strength is getting dirty and Staal although being young is mature beyond his years. A gritty line no doubt but also a very talented line and I know like Brendan and paul above Staal would have no trouble playing the wing even though he is a centerman.

13th forward is Sidney Crosby, such talent at a young age and a big part of the future, ANY GOOD COACH COULD FINGURE OUT WHERE AND WHEN TO PLAY HIM.

Special teams Power play, figure it out, there are too many options to go through it, lots of firepower.

Penalty Killers

Smyth and Lecavallier Shannahon and Kariya

Defense

This is Canada's weakness I think, the mold of Scott Stevens is not very common anymore due to many D's of today wanting to be the high scoring variety. This is what I see as a better group

Phaneuf and Regehr

Offense and defense combined with youth and experience, oh ya what do you know they play together already

Redden and Brad Stuart

Who??? ya Brade Stuart a great defenceman and Wade is a very accountable and can also make that all important first pass.

Rob Blake and Collin White

Who Collin White, ya he has been great for years and he has learned alot from Stevens over the years while winning cups in New Jersey. Ask Brodeur if he would want Collin there and I bet Martin would say hel? ya. Blake, certainly not at his highest level anymore but I think he still has what it takes.

The seventh D is Pronger, I know Chris he grew up in Kenora, I'm from Thunder Bay, I have taken many a cross check from him on the ice. Like Blake I think his best days are behind him but he is hot and cold. The coach would need to put him on a short leash. He can be one of the best but he can also be a liability.

Goalies

BRODEUR #1
TURCO #2 but if Brodeur falters yank him and put in Turco, not losing much at all
Biron (sp?) Buffalo

Taxi Squad

Defense:

McCabe

Forwards:

Kyle Calder - Chicago mucker with talent
Martin St. Louis - play maker and vinnys mate


Just my take on what could have been, we need to gie the young guys some experience too.

[funkywinkerbeans]

Hmmmn let me see what did Pat Quinn ever do in Vancouver.....

Pat Quinn only won the Jack Adams Award for best coach in Vancouver and he took them to the Stanley Cup Finals a few years later. He was also responsible for drafting Trever Liden and getting Pavel Bure.

Quinn's one of the best coaches in the league with one of the best records. He's gone to clubs which were horrible before he arrived and has turned them around.

Fear not, Team canada will be playing alot better in the games to come.

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Alright, he drafted two truely great players, won coach of the year and took them to the finals but......did he win????

Nothing agianst the leafs or the canucks but to me Quinn seems like a guy that just can't take a team to the next level.

I hope that he can motivate them to improve, we all know the quarter finals means do or die. It would be very dissapointing for the Canadians to go home without a medal afterall.

I still think the head coach should have been someone that was an ex-NHL coach or somone from the interior of hockey Canada flanked by a couple of NHL assistant coaches. That way they could have focused more on the task a t hand.

Quinn had to focus all season on his overpriced, underachieving Leafs not to mention the pressure of being coach of team Canada. When you do the math, something will suffer and so far it seems that both the Leafs and Team Canada have struggled. I don't know how old Quinn is but perhaps he has bit off more than he can chew.[/i]

[Hollywoodaction]

I really wasn't impressed by their performance. No better than watching a team ranked somewhere at the bottom half of the conference at end of the season.

[Alias]

Canada v.s Russia in the Q tomorrow.

[jacl]

That's funny. "Team Canada sucks". As if. Even if they lose to Russia in the quarter finals, they definitely don't suck.

[Hollywoodaction]