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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: Cleric offers reward for killing cartoonist |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11383819/
Ah yes, the religion of peace. It makes you wonder why we complain about the mildly kooky Pat Robertson. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Cleric offers reward for killing cartoonist |
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No more than it makes me wonder why people complain about a bit of rain when there are mudslides in the Philippines. One's closer than the other, in spite of the lesser magnitude. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Muslims just keep finding ways to out-suck each other. I think they give out some kind of yearly Rammadan prize for the most pathetic, dirt farming, turbin wearing, jihad screaming, Jew killing, West bashing, wife beating, building torching, throat slitting dirty beard sporting muslim in the mid-east and all of them are competing for it.
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Kill the cleric first. That way he cant pay the reward. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you see the marching protesters' posters that demanded the cartoonists hands be cut off? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The Muslims are throwing a tantrum. Kicking and screaming like autistic children. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently, the cleric is determined to show that there is some veracity in the cartoons.
Last edited by Hollywoodaction on Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:32 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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numazawa
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: The Concrete Barnyard
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't know about you, but I'm alarmed at the steady stream of goofy-sounding headlines cropping up on my Yahoo homepage. Yesterday it was "Police fire tear-gas at cartoon protesters," today it's "Ten reported killed in Libya cartoon clashes." I fear it may escalate and tomorrow we'll read, "Police use live ammo on cartoon characters," or "Cartoon protesters erupt in violence after police issue order to be less animated." |
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Jeju Rocks
Joined: 23 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| $25,000 and a car? This sounds like a new reality tv program. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a good Washington Post op-ed:
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The Ayatollah Joke Book
By Michael Kinsley
Friday, February 10, 2006; Page A19
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the noted wit, expert on freedom and unelected religious leader -- the leader who counts -- of Iran, observed the other day that in the West, "casting doubt or negating the genocide of the Jews is banned but insulting the beliefs of 1.5 billion Muslims is allowed." He apparently thought that this was a devastating point. Touche, Ayatollah Khamenei.
The worldwide fuss over 12 cartoon images of the prophet Muhammad (some mocking, some benign) that ran in a Danish newspaper has already killed a number of people. Many self-styled voices of Islam have made the bizarre comparison between showing pictures of Muhammad and expressing doubt about the Holocaust. A government-controlled Tehran newspaper announced a contest for cartoons about the Holocaust, asking "whether freedom of expression" applies to "the crimes committed by the United States and Israel." In a spirit of "see how you like it," a European Muslim group posted on the Web a cartoon of Anne Frank in bed with Hitler.
Muslim complaints about a Western double standard would be more telling if the factual premise were accurate. But it is not. In fact, it is nearly the opposite of the truth. Nothing is easier and more common in the West, including the United States, than criticizing the United States -- except for criticizing Israel. A few Western countries have stupid laws, erratically enforced, against denying the Holocaust, but that hasn't stopped Holocaust denial from becoming a literary industry and cultural phenomenon. Nevertheless, there has been no rioting about the historical reality of the Holocaust. No one has died over it.
Meanwhile, whatever point these European Muslims were making with their cartoon of Hitler and Anne Frank is more or less disproved by their very exercise. No one tried to stop them from putting the cartoon on the Web. The notion that jokes about Frank are beyond the pale is provably false. There's a play running in New York right now called "25 Questions for a Jewish Mother." It's a monologue written and acted by stand-up comic Judy Gold, who says on stage every night that her mother used to read to her from a pop-up version of Anne Frank's diary, and would say, "Pull the tab, Judith. Alive. Pull it again. Dead." Maybe you had to be there. But the New York Times reviewer called the play "fiercely funny, honest and moving" and did not demand that the author be executed or even admonished.
By contrast, in a spectacular exercise of self-censorship, almost every major newspaper in this country is refraining from publishing the controversial Danish cartoons, even though they are at the center of a major news story that these papers cover at length every day. An editorial in the Times on Wednesday said that not publishing the cartoons was "a reasonable choice" because they would offend many people and "are so easy to describe in words." As I write I am looking at a front-page photo in today's Times of Mariah Carey singing into a microphone. Words do it justice, I think.
Of course it is not Western values that are trampling freedom of expression, it is the ayatollah's own values, combined with the threat of violence. The other problem with his little joke about double standards, and with the whole, supposedly mordant, comparison between denying the Holocaust and portraying the prophet is that the offended Muslims do not want a world where people are free to do both. They don't even want a world where people are not free to do either, which would at least be consistent. They want a world where you may not portray Muhammad (even flatteringly, slaying infidels or whatnot), but you may deny the Holocaust all day long.
The bewildered prime minister of Denmark, trying to calm the whirlwind that has descended on his innocent, unsuspecting country, gets it spectacularly wrong when he reassures disgruntled Muslims that Denmark supports "freedom of religion" and is "one of the world's most tolerant and open societies." Tolerance, openness and freedom of religion are not what they have in mind.
A lively debate is going on about whether Islam really does forbid any portrayal of the prophet, however benign, or whether that is a recent innovation of some subset of the faithful with possible ulterior motives. This debate misses the point. Some Christians believe they are required to wear particular sorts of clothing. Some Jews and Muslims don't eat pork. They don't claim that their religion requires other people to wear special clothing or avoid eating pork. Tolerance and ecumenism can do only so much. They have nothing to offer a Muslim in Afghanistan who is personally insulted and enraged about an image that appears in a newspaper in Denmark.
The shameful American position on all this is boilerplate endorsement of free expression combined with denunciation of the cartoons as an "unacceptable" insult. When three protesters died this week in a confrontation at a U.S. military base in Afghanistan, an American spokesman there said that Afghans "should judge us on what we're doing here, not on what some cartoonist is doing somewhere else." But the limits of free expression cannot be set by the sensitivities of people who don't believe in it. How can President Bush continue to ask young Americans to sacrifice their lives for freedom in the Muslim world, if he won't even defend freedom verbally when forces from that world are suppressing it in our own? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Cleric offers reward for killing cartoonist |
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| mithridates wrote: |
No more than it makes me wonder why people complain about a bit of rain when there are mudslides in the Philippines. One's closer than the other, in spite of the lesser magnitude. |
Good point. We shouldn't let the ethical base line be moved by blood thirsty goons who dare to call themselves servants. Let's hold Wacky Patty to the ethical standard that says a holy man doesn't call for a person's assassination or he should pay more attention to the suffering of his flock than his bank account. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Here's a good Washington Post op-ed: |
Speaking of noted wits. Here's a great one about Saddam and his sense of humor from http://www.museumofhoaxes.com. Found under "top 10 worst april fool's day hoaxes.
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#1: Hijinks of Hussein and Son
Saddam Hussein and his sons may have been ruthless, power-hungry dictators, but that didn't stop them from trying to give the people of Iraq a good chuckle every April Fool's Day. On April 1, 1998 the Babil newspaper, owned by Hussein's son Uday, informed its readers that President Clinton had decided to lift sanctions against Iraq, only to admit later that it was just joking. One can imagine the knee-slapping guffaws when readers realized how they'd been taken for a ride. The laughs continued in 1999 when Uday mischeviously announced that the monthly food rations would be supplemented to include bananas, Pepsi, and chocolate. Again, just a joke. At this point, the Husseins appear to have run out of material, because in 2000 they recycled the sanction-lifting gag, and in 2001 trotted out the ration-supplement crowd-pleaser one more time. The merciless quality with which the same joke was repeated year after year had an almost surreal quality to it. In fact, it almost makes one sympathize with Saudi Arabia's chief cleric, the Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah Al al-Sheikh, who in 2001 decreed that the celebration of April Fool's Day should be banned altogether. It's not known if the Sheikh had his neighbor's hijinks in mind when he issued the ban. |
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#10: The Iraqi Ambassador's Final Joke
On April 1, 2003, as thousands of American-led coalition troops stormed across Iraq, the Iraqi ambassador to Russia, Abbas Khalaf Kunfuth, held a press conference in Moscow. Many were expecting him to announce that Iraq conceded defeat. Instead Kunfuth chose this moment to hold a gag press conference. Holding up a piece of paper that he identified as a news flash from Reuters, he read aloud from it: "The Americans have accidentally fired a nuclear missile into British forces, killing seven." Immediately the room full of reporters went silent with shock. Then Kunfuth grinned and shouted 'April Fools!' Only a few days after this unexpected moment of levity, the Iraqi government completely collapsed. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Muslims just keep finding ways to out-suck each other. I think they give out some kind of yearly Rammadan prize for the most pathetic, dirt farming, turbin wearing, jihad screaming, Jew killing, West bashing, wife beating, building torching, throat slitting dirty beard sporting muslim in the mid-east and all of them are competing for it.
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On the other hand, that post won't win any awards as the judges at Stormfront deduct 2 points for failing to use the word "raghead". |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| AbbeFaria wrote: |
Muslims just keep finding ways to out-suck each other. I think they give out some kind of yearly Rammadan prize for the most pathetic, dirt farming, turbin wearing, jihad screaming, Jew killing, West bashing, wife beating, building torching, throat slitting dirty beard sporting muslim in the mid-east and all of them are competing for it.
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On the other hand, that post won't win any awards as the judges at Stormfront deduct 2 points for failing to use the word "raghead". |
Ha. That's pretty funny. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| AbbeFaria wrote: |
Muslims just keep finding ways to out-suck each other. I think they give out some kind of yearly Rammadan prize for the most pathetic, dirt farming, turbin wearing, jihad screaming, Jew killing, West bashing, wife beating, building torching, throat slitting dirty beard sporting muslim in the mid-east and all of them are competing for it.
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On the other hand, that post won't win any awards as the judges at Stormfront deduct 2 points for failing to use the word "raghead". |
Come to think of it I should have thrown that in. On the other hand, I am partial to the term sandmonkey over raghead. |
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