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Using my neighbour's router ("secretly")

 
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Ryst Helmut



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Using my neighbour's router ("secretly") Reply with quote

A quick question....so I've a router at my house but it is locked so that others in my area can't access it, so I don't know what kind of message I would get if someone were to log-on to the net via my router.

Situation is is that I take my laptop to work (where I've yet to get access, and probably can't for 2 weeks)...but I am able to theive a connection from my business neighbour....if I log on using their router, will they be notified that 'computer name' has accessed?

I don't know them well enough to ask permission, but I REALLY need access and my company won't be able to make it out for at least 10 days. Yes yes... stealing is stealing.

Well?
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Wrench



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its all legal until you get caught..


Question: Are you actually Loging into the router or just leaching internet from it?

If leeching I say claim ignorance. If actually messing with the router I suggest you stop it.
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Ryst Helmut



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
Its all legal until you get caught..


Question: Are you actually Loging into the router or just leaching internet from it?

If leeching I say claim ignorance. If actually messing with the router I suggest you stop it.


Leaching...if I knew how to mess with a router don'tcha think I'd know the answer to my first question?

I'm dumber than nails...

As for claiming ignorance...not a stretch. But the question stands. Will they know I'm mooching off of them?

Shoosh

Ryst
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splok



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically, its possible that some setups will prompt the user for permission when a connection attempt is made. imo it's very unlikly though. If the person is leaving their connection open, they likely either don't know enough about their router to change its settings or they just don't care. The router's log will show that another connection has been made and when it was made, but if the person is able to check this, they aren't going to have their connection open. Even if they did, they couldn't tell if it was you or some other random person with a laptop or whatever.
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Wrench



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryst Helmut wrote:
Wrench wrote:
Its all legal until you get caught..


Question: Are you actually Loging into the router or just leaching internet from it?

If leeching I say claim ignorance. If actually messing with the router I suggest you stop it.


Leaching...if I knew how to mess with a router don'tcha think I'd know the answer to my first question?

I'm dumber than nails...

As for claiming ignorance...not a stretch. But the question stands. Will they know I'm mooching off of them?

Shoosh

Ryst


If they haven't locked their router I highly doubt they will now how to track you. By default all logging options are usually off on a router.

The only thing you might want to worry about is the fact you will show up in the Network.. (Just make sure you have an obscure name for your computer (Not like FirstLastName and no shares you will be fine)
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Ryst Helmut



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the feedback.

I feel uncomfortable mooching...alas, the lesser of two evils (cuaght between a rock and a jar of kimchi).

Hurry up wireless!

!shoosh

Ryst
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mooching is fine if your neighbours haven't bothered to configure their router properly- been there, done that!
And if their account is unlimited bandwidth it's pretty much no harm no foul, right?
Unless their heavy online gamers and you're a PtoP fiend...
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Giant



Joined: 14 May 2003
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can only really tell if someone is logged in if they log into the router and check what IP's havebeen given out by the DHCP server.

And also, logging is usually turned on by default, not turned off.

But they still would have no proof unless they actually caught you in the act by your laptop. How would they know where you are. Thats the beauty of wireless. Smile
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Ryst Helmut



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, mooching is a nice way to say stealing (which I am doing at this moment)....for this service anyhow.

Will they know it's me? I almost don't care. They've been using our land for over six years for their business' parking lot (for free).


Justification...what a treat!

Shoosh,

Ryst
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If all you are doing is leeching bandwidth off of an unlimited bandwidth account it's like 'stealing' if you consider drinking from a river is 'stealing' water- you're drinking from (as far as your concerned) an unlimited source.

Plus not using any sort of encryption whatsoever is practically putting out the welcome mat- hell, if they knew they may not even care.
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BigBlackEquus



Joined: 05 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Giant wrote:
They can only really tell if someone is logged in if they log into the router and check what IP's havebeen given out by the DHCP server.

And also, logging is usually turned on by default, not turned off.

But they still would have no proof unless they actually caught you in the act by your laptop. How would they know where you are. Thats the beauty of wireless. Smile



My router's logging was off by default.

They probably won't know or care. With that said, there are some people who leave their wireless unsecured on purpose. Their goal is to record your passwords, etc. There is software to do this.
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dbee



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well I guess it comes down to whether they are using WEP (wireless encryption protocol) or not.

Even if they were - you could still crack it in less than 5 mins. Although it would tend to lead one to the conclusion that one wasn't welcome on their lan.

But obviously they haven't even gotten that far into it - so it'd be fair guess that they don't care one way or the other.

What sort of company are they btw ?

Korea is a hackers dream (I'd imagine) ... almost 95% of systems here are windows and there really isn't too much security documentation in hangul.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dbee wrote:
well I guess it comes down to whether they are using WEP (wireless encryption protocol) or not.

Even if they were - you could still crack it in less than 5 mins. Although it would tend to lead one to the conclusion that one wasn't welcome on their lan.

But obviously they haven't even gotten that far into it - so it'd be fair guess that they don't care one way or the other.

What sort of company are they btw ?

Korea is a hackers dream (I'd imagine) ... almost 95% of systems here are windows and there really isn't too much security documentation in hangul.


WPA is safer as long as you use gibberish. But, it does affect system performance.

http://wifinetnews.com/archives/002453.html
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