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Jellybean
Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: Sink or Swim? |
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Hi
Just wondering if most/some/any hogwans give new teachers a training period or is it a matter of rocking up the first day and 'going for it?' Do new teachers get to observe another teacher before being thrown in the deep end? I guess I'm asking IF they do offer training what does it consist of?
Having never taught before, I just can't imagine teaching six sessions/day when I don't have the foggiest what I'm doing! Maybe I can just tell each class we are doing a mime session for forty minutes and nobody is allowed to move or speak.
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endofthewor1d

Joined: 01 Apr 2003 Location: the end of the wor1d.
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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most hakwons will give you some kind of brief orientation. my first one didn't, but that's because it was a shady fly-by-night mom and pop organization, and i was the only foreign teacher there. they gave me a book and threw me in the classroom. my my, i've come a long way from there.
anyway... if you're going into a normal hakwon with other foreign teachers, then chances are good that you'll spend at least a day following someone around learning the ropes. really though, no matter how you psych yourself up for it or how many times you watch someone else teach a class, that first second of that first class is going to be ground zero. you will have that sink-or-swim feeling. if you stay in that room for the forty or fifty minutes you're supposed to, you will have swum. you've pretty much got to run out of the room crying after five minutes for it to count as a sink. good luck. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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(1) Don't expect any training whatsover, even if promised.
(2) Do an online certificate program if you want to get some training.
(3) Surf through the HORDES of ESL teaching websites which provide, principles, procedures, tips, strategies, tons of lesson plans, suggestions, etc.
(4) Find within yourself patience, resilience, forgiveness, openness and most of all, confidence.
Good luck whatever. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Some hogwans will throw you in the first minute you arrive. They think they're paying good money (too much) for you anyway, so you'd better start earning your keep.
Others will provide or require training time. Some pay for training time others do not. Shop around for what you need and want. |
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Big Mac
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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The one I was at offered a full week of training for new teachers.
I actually got several weeks because it was a new school and I got there before it actually opened. I had mock teaching sessions and read through all the material for several weeks. So it was great. That being said, it would have been nice to be able to observe a real class beforehand...but that's the drawback to being at a new school. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Don't expect the 'training' to be of much use and don't expect a clear answer on anything, either. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:09 am Post subject: |
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I work at a public, English Immersion (Day) Camp... and after traveling for over 25 hrs. arrived at 2330 on a Monday night. The director lead me to believe he was taking me to Immigration to get my ARC on Tuesday morming. He picked me up and took me to the camp at 0850. At 0855 he told me "You teachee today at 0900... you do good job." At 0857 I was given a 'book' (I use the term very loosely) and had to ask where my classroom was. Some how, I treaded water that first day (it's all a blur now and I can't remember what I did). I've been swimming ever since.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
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You bit off a mouthful, didn't you?
Most hakwons/schools do not offer training. Why should they? They advertised for someone to teach X number of classes a day. They expected people who knew enough about it to do a decent job to apply. There is also a Korean attitude that 'anyone' can teach. It's an odd attitude. Apparantly, there are a lot of college graduates back home who think 'anyone' can teach. Apparantly, you are one of them.
Before you accept a job that you do not feel qualified for, start doing some homework. It isn't enough just to chat with someone who had your job before you so you know that the boss pays on time and the apartment isn't a total pit. Part of the deal is a free flight to Asia and a free apt for a year. In return, they expect you to do the job you volunteered for.
It isn't a bad trade off, but you do have an obligation to hold up your end of the stick.
I don't mean to be harsh, but you can't expect people to fly you over here, give you a free apartment and get nothing in return. I'd say it's time to wake up and get prepared. [/img] |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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I am setting up a monthly workshop for new teachers here in Busan...a few of us long timers will meet with new teachers and hold discussion groups to help them with adapting and teaching.
Should be up and running by the early fall.... |
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pest1

Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
You bit off a mouthful, didn't you?
Most hakwons/schools do not offer training. Why should they? They advertised for someone to teach X number of classes a day. They expected people who knew enough about it to do a decent job to apply. There is also a Korean attitude that 'anyone' can teach. It's an odd attitude. Apparantly, there are a lot of college graduates back home who think 'anyone' can teach. Apparantly, you are one of them.
Before you accept a job that you do not feel qualified for, start doing some homework. It isn't enough just to chat with someone who had your job before you so you know that the boss pays on time and the apartment isn't a total pit. Part of the deal is a free flight to Asia and a free apt for a year. In return, they expect you to do the job you volunteered for.
It isn't a bad trade off, but you do have an obligation to hold up your end of the stick.
I don't mean to be harsh, but you can't expect people to fly you over here, give you a free apartment and get nothing in return. I'd say it's time to wake up and get prepared. |
They advertise for a teaching position but when you arrive, you realize that they don't want a teacher, they need a babysitter. You wonder if the job said anything about daycare, and why didn't they ask if you have had experience in babysitting back home.
Anyone can teach, if we are talking about tutoring grown-ups. It's the dealing with a bunch mis-behaved kids part of your job that you might have trouble dealing with. You will probably spend 3/4 of your time just to make your kids sit down and be quiet and only teach for 1/4. Class management isn't really something that you can learn without actually being in a class either. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: soul of Asia
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: |
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What I can't unnderstand is how most hagwons don't give teachers time to rest after they fly over here from so far away. That's stupid and insensitive. Observing for one day and then teaching the next is pretty darn hard when you are standing there consumed by jet-lag. I am jealous. 2 new girls for my school just got here tonight and they have the weekend plus Monday-Wednesday to rest. Lucky @#$%^ I've ALWAYS had to start teaching the next day or at least observing the next day, which means I still have to get my sweet bum out of bed. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: soul of Asia
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: |
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cruisemonkey wrote: |
I work at a public, English Immersion (Day) Camp... and after traveling for over 25 hrs. arrived at 2330 on a Monday night. The director lead me to believe he was taking me to Immigration to get my ARC on Tuesday morming. He picked me up and took me to the camp at 0850. At 0855 he told me "You teachee today at 0900... you do good job." At 0857 I was given a 'book' (I use the term very loosely) and had to ask where my classroom was. Some how, I treaded water that first day (it's all a blur now and I can't remember what I did). I've been swimming ever since.  |
This man sounds like an insensitive, poor excuse for a human being. What a waste of oxygen!!! I would have have said "Oh no, me too tiredy-wiredy..me no teachee...Me teachee? OK bye bye...find another teachar!!! |
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noguri

Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Location: korea
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: plan B |
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endofthewor1d wrote: |
that first second of that first class is going to be ground zero. you will have that sink-or-swim feeling. if you stay in that room for the forty or fifty minutes you're supposed to, you will have swum. you've pretty much got to run out of the room crying after five minutes for it to count as a sink. good luck. |
The advice given to you by endoftheworld and also by VanIslander is for real. You've just got to stick it out, no matter how foolish you might feel at first. Eventually you'll get the hang of it.
Another thing for you to remember is that not every activity you plan will work with every group. It is always necessary to bring a "plan B" or a "plan C." I don't have experience teaching kids, only adults, so I can't speak about kids' classroom management. But I can say that every room full of students will at times RESIST an assigned activity or perhaps they don't participate because they don't understand the exercise. That's why its necessary to have an alternative lesson plan up your sleeve.
It takes a lot of preparation but it is worth it. When they don't do what you're trying to MAKE them do, you just switch gears and do a different activity. If you don't need the extra lesson plan, you just rotate it and use it a different day. |
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pest1

Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: |
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[quote="princess] This man sounds like an insensitive, poor excuse for a human being. What a waste of oxygen!!! I would have have said "Oh no, me too tiredy-wiredy..me no teachee...Me teachee? OK bye bye...find another teachar!!![/quote]
Sometimes you just have to stand your ground, otherwise you will be taken advantage of. A lot of hagwons prefer new graduates to teachers with experience, because they are easier to manipulate. It's their first job and they are all keen and trying to be nice. The two new teachers we got came in all week this week just to observe classes and help out with general office duties, and they are not even being paid yet. They were also asked to come on Saturday for our graduation ceremony. |
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