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Wedding Costs: Men 96 mil. won; Women 33 mil. won. Why?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Wedding Costs: Men 96 mil. won; Women 33 mil. won. Why? Reply with quote

Is the Ministry of Gender Equality petitioning for equal costs in wedding-related expenses?

Marriage Costs Koreans an Arm and a Leg
Newlyweds spent an average of W130 million (US$130,000) on wedding-related expenses last year, of which the grooms spent an average of W96 million while the brides put up around W33 million.... The biggest portion of the expense, two-thirds, was spent in obtaining a new home (W85 million), followed by the wedding ceremony itself (W10.25 million), gifts for the groom's family and relatives (W8.4 million), wedding gifts exchanged between the groom and bride (W7.18 million),...
Chosun Ilbo (February 23, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200602/200602230027.html

Women taking lead in filing for divorce
Two thirds of divorces and separations among Korea's married couples are instigated by women according to a report issued yesterday by the National Statistical Office.
JoongAng Daily (July 01, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200506/30/200506302309010009900090409041.html
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VanIslander



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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The contributions seem to be almost equal once the man's provision of the housing is factored out of the equation!

As for women leading the way to divorce: What else do you expect in a culture that is raising its women to become very educated yet expect them to still be secondary to men in the family, in the home and in career decisions along Confucian lines and put up with their husbands frequenting room salons or other means of extramarital sex.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The contributions seem to be almost equal once the man's provision of the housing is factored out of the equation!

Why are you factoring the housing out? Why don't you factor in women paying for or sharing the cost of housing? Why not share the housing cost? Don't they live in the same place?

If women are so discriminated against in careers, then why are more than 80 percent of new middle and high school teachers women?
EDITORIALS] Gender balance in schools
JoongAng Daily (February 15, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200602/15/200602152213504109900090109011.html

Sex Matters to Women Who Say It Doesn't: Study
... a mere 4.4 percent of women thought sex was important in marriage, compared with 77 percent of men -- almost as many as the 74.8 percent of women who said it was unimportant.... When asked if prostitutes are needed to satisfy men's sexual needs, 20.4 percent of women and 61 percent of men agreed.
Chosun Ilbo (October 26, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510260017.html

Koreans Voice Bedroom Frustrations
Chosun Ilbo (February 9, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200602/200602090037.html
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VanIslander



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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
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The contributions seem to be almost equal once the man's provision of the housing is factored out of the equation!

Why are you factoring the housing out? Why don't you factor in women paying for or sharing the cost of housing? Why not share the housing cost? Don't they live in the same place?

Why the moral tone? Should women pay for housing has nothing to do with it!

Men pay for the housing.

ALL four Korean male friends of mine who got married over the last three years paid for the apartment, in fact, for one of them it was a point of stress for over two years until he picked up a relatively cheap one in a nearby small town/neighbourhood.

Factor out the housing costs and the wedding costs are about equal. That's just the way it is.

No need to argue what should be. (Sometimes RR I just don't understand what could make you tick!)
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No need to argue what should be.

Do you think the Ministry of Gender Equality would agree with you?
What was the name of that male-oriented system (hoju) that "should be" abolished? Well, it was abolished last year, was it not?

Gender-Sensitive Budget
http://www.mogef.go.kr/english/dev/policy/eub0101.jsp
Ministry of Gender Equality & Family
http://english.mogef.go.kr/
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:


If women are so discriminated against in careers, then why are more than 80 percent of new middle and high school teachers women?
EDITORIALS] Gender balance in schools
JoongAng Daily (February 15, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200602/15/200602152213504109900090109011.html


Are you serious? Are you really serious? Please, tell me that was sarcastic. No wonder you don't say much, robot, your brain doesn't function correctly.

I'll bet you could find plenty of statistics about how korean women dominate the fields of fashion design, party planning, hair styling, and pretty pink bow tying. Would you use these as evidence that there is NOT gender discrimination?

Honestly, you just blew my mind with how dumb that was. Congratulations.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
...Are you serious?

Here this may make you feel better.
The percentage of female professors at national and public universities barely moved above 10 percent last year.
[EDITORIALS] Gender balance in schools
JoongAng Daily (February 15, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200602/15/200602152213504109900090109011.html

Why not grooms spend an average of W70 million while the brides put up around W60 million?
Or 65 million / 65 million split. Sharing the cost
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blunder1983



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked a coteacher about the numbers of men and women in school. Her response was that school is a good job for a woman, in the office environment their is minimal job security for older women as new younger women apply for jobs. She said she chose school so she'd have a job until retirement.
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HamuHamu



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Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact that an average of 10million is being spent on a Korean-style wedding ceremony is the part that I find to be absurd.

Actually, the fact that the groom's parents get gifts worth and average of 8 million won -- I can't be understanding that correctly! Should it not be the bride and groom who are getting gifts?!

And, spending an average of 7million on gifts for EACH OTHER! Come on.......!!!!!!!!
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Swiss James



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HamuHamu wrote:

And, spending an average of 7million on gifts for EACH OTHER! Come on.......!!!!!!!!


It's bizarre- I think one tradition is that they buy matching designer watches for each other, a Tag Heuer each for the couple I know.

Have you heard the weird one about when a Korean guy starts work? He has to buy his Dad a cardigan and his Mum some panty hose or something equally odd.
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Factor out the housing costs and the wedding costs are about equal. That's just the way it is.

But you haven't explained why the housing costs should be factored out. It's obviously the biggest cost of getting married in Korea.

If you're going to compare the cost of getting married according to gender, why should it be factored out?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
Real Reality wrote:


If women are so discriminated against in careers, then why are more than 80 percent of new middle and high school teachers women?
EDITORIALS] Gender balance in schools
JoongAng Daily (February 15, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200602/15/200602152213504109900090109011.html


Are you serious? Are you really serious? Please, tell me that was sarcastic. No wonder you don't say much, robot, your brain doesn't function correctly.

I'll bet you could find plenty of statistics about how korean women dominate the fields of fashion design, party planning, hair styling, and pretty pink bow tying. Would you use these as evidence that there is NOT gender discrimination?

Except that in Korea being a teacher is considered a very desirable job by both women AND men. I teach in a corporate training center and 99% of my students are male engineers. Of the ones I have asked, all of them have said they've considered becoming a teacher at one point in time, or that if they could switch careers they'd like to become K-12 teachers.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a load of crap...including housing in the cost of a wedding. If I were Korean I'd get married and then go to a short-time hotel, then I would brag to all by buds about how much dosh I saved on my wedding.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but that's how Koreans define the cost of a wedding. For them, "wedding costs" include the cost of setting up a completely new household.

Unless I'm mistaken, the bride is responsible for paying for all the new furniture. As a westerner, I don't think you "need" new furniture to get married...but most Koreans do think so.
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Korean version (AM7 ��) it also shows how couples take out loans together, so I think that the bloke does not necessarily save nor bear all this before marriage.
Instead, it seems that couples may include this arrangement in the 'marriage expenses', and rather these costs can easily be considered post-marriage, with setting out the loan conditions only at the time of marriage.
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