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Should I send them my original degree????
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yamyam



Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Location: Kangnam, Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

splok wrote:
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First of all, it's just a piece of paper. You can simply order another copy from your university and have it in your hand in 3 days by courrier if something happens to it (I'm on my third).


This may be true for you, but it isn't nessaceraly true for everyone. I went to my university in person and asked for a replacement (I thought it would be easier than getting notarized copies, since I'm a few hours from a consulate), and they looked very confused and told me that they didn't think it was possible. I imagine I could get one if I was completely insistant, but I don't think it would exactly be a quick and easy thing. Take that for whatever you think it's worth, but I just wanted to warn that it might not be as simple as calling your university up and asking for a new diploma in all cases.


I was able to get a copy of my degree from an Ontario university for a $25.00 fee (as my original is framed and I didn't want to take it apart), but when I tried to do the same for my degree from a university in British Columbia I was told that pursuant to their University Act they couldn't give me another copy unless my original had been lost/destroyed etc. It seems to vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yamyam wrote:

I was able to get a copy of my degree from an Ontario university for a $25.00 fee (as my original is framed and I didn't want to take it apart), but when I tried to do the same for my degree from a university in British Columbia I was told that pursuant to their University Act they couldn't give me another copy unless my original had been lost/destroyed etc. It seems to vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

That's easy...it was lost when you (mistakenly) gave it to a Korean employer.
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vox



Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: Jeollabukdo

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Novernae wrote:
First of all, it's just a piece of paper. You can simply order another copy from your university and have it in your hand in 3 days by courier if something happens to it (I'm on my third).


That is just not true in the case of many universities, especially older ones like mine. The Registrar's office at my university told me if something ever happened to my degree, in order to get another one I'd have to get a lawyer and a notary involved some kind of sworn declaration, something like a separate $50.00 fee, and they may have also mentioned calling the pope at some point. That all spells MAJOR hassle. Do not treat your degree with such a casual air. It is more than just a piece of paper.

At the very least, you could call your registrar's office and find out just what would be involved in getting a second copy. Their answer may help you clarify your position in these types of situations.
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latinthrilla



Joined: 10 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: Replacement diploma Reply with quote

I checked out my university (UWO) in Ontario and it seems pretty easy to get a replacement diploma, it's $44 CND but I may take up to 6 weeks. Here's the link http://www3.registrar.uwo.ca/InfoServices/Diplomas.cfm, I don't know what it's like in other provinces.

GMAN, to get your degree notarized, take it to any lawyer and have them notarize your photo copy (usually do it for free). Take that to the consulate. It may take a couple of days to get it back though.
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Pandora



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Replacement diploma Reply with quote

latinthrilla wrote:
GMAN, to get your degree notarized, take it to any lawyer and have them notarize your photo copy (usually do it for free). Take that to the consulate. It may take a couple of days to get it back though.
For free?! I paid $50 to get mine done...
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latinthrilla



Joined: 10 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: update Reply with quote

Call around, there are tons of laywers who do it for free. I just randomly called up one and he gave me 6 notarized copies. He even made the copies! Gotta love karma.

So I wrote back to the school and told them what the consulates told me. They quickly changed their tune. So to conclude....notarized copies are just fine as long as they are approved by the Korean consulate!
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memorabilis



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for the record, your degree is not a piece of paper, it's the accreditation conferred on you by the senate of the university. The piece of paper is your diploma. It varies from university to university on how long it takes to get a replacement. It takes six weeks from mine (U of Ottawa).

The lady at the embassy in Ottawa does speak very good English. I got my degree notarized ($10) by a lawyer and stamped at the embassy (like $2.65). This was in December and it was perfectly acceptable. Unfortunately, I also had to bring sealed transcripts which they then opened, so I had to go get another copy to send to Korea, as they also needed sealed transcripts. That part was truly stupid.

I would advise getting several copies of your transcipts sealed in seperate envelopes at once, as well as a few copies of your degree notarized and stamped and bring them with you. I wish I had done this. When my year's up here if I want to change schools this will be a big hassle.

All the best!
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yamyam



Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Location: Kangnam, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

memorabilis wrote:
Just for the record, your degree is not a piece of paper, it's the accreditation conferred on you by the senate of the university. The piece of paper is your diploma. It varies from university to university on how long it takes to get a replacement. It takes six weeks from mine (U of Ottawa).

The lady at the embassy in Ottawa does speak very good English. I got my degree notarized ($10) by a lawyer and stamped at the embassy (like $2.65). This was in December and it was perfectly acceptable. Unfortunately, I also had to bring sealed transcripts which they then opened, so I had to go get another copy to send to Korea, as they also needed sealed transcripts. That part was truly stupid.

I would advise getting several copies of your transcipts sealed in seperate envelopes at once, as well as a few copies of your degree notarized and stamped and bring them with you. I wish I had done this. When my year's up here if I want to change schools this will be a big hassle.

All the best!


Just to clarify - I should make copies of my degree in advance and have them notarized by a lawyer and then take the copies to the Korean consulate? Do I also need sealed transcripts to take to the consulate too? There seems to be a big discrepancy in the posts on what people actually needed at the consulate...
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my case I tried bringing my degree to the consulate in Ottawa first to be notarized. I was promptly turned away and told to go see a lawyer first. I think it cost me $25 for a lawyer to hold the degree up to the light, confirm it was real and write a letter stating that in his opinion my photocopy was a true copy of a genuine document.

Then it was back to the consulate. They took my degree for a couple of days and called my school to find out if I was for real. Then they gave it back to me with some paperwork in Korean to send to immigration in Korea.

So as far as I know, that is the process you have to go through to get it notarized.

As for the transcripts, I had several transcripts made up by my school (Carleton U). They had the university seal on them and it was a watermarked document and they accepted that with no issues. They didn't ask for it in an envelope with a seal and all that jazz. The consulate gave it back to me when they were finished and I sent it in the mail to Korea with all my other documents.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent my original diploma. According to the other responses in this thread, that was apparently a stupid move, but it worked out okay. I've got the diploma in my apartment right now. Was no big deal.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
I sent my original diploma. According to the other responses in this thread, that was apparently a stupid move, but it worked out okay. I've got the diploma in my apartment right now. Was no big deal.


You're lucky you have an honest employer then.

It's not only to protect against it getting lost. Some employers will hold your degree as ransom to keep you from leaving their school when things get bad. It's better not to give them that opportunity. Yes, it can be replaced but who wants to wait six weeks or whatever it takes to get a new one when the going gets bad. It's kind of like your employer keeping your passport from you.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last 2 times I needed a certified copy of my degree I took my degree(original) to the local immigration office. Told them I needed a certified copy of my degree and they ran a copy off on the photocopier and signed and dated it.

They didnt charge me anything and the process took no more than 3 or 4 minutes.

Before I left this time I did the exact same thing...got a certified copy from immigration before I left the country. Even if you aren't planning on returning its a good idea to do it. Just in case you end up returning.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To combat fake degrees, it'll become standard to submit real degrees, increasing the number of "disappeared" and "misplaced" degrees that find their way into the hands of unscupulous directors who re-use them for others.

Of course, this isn't possible if the entire blame for the fake degree scandal falls solely on the shoulders of the teachers involved. It's not like any directors knew of it, any recruiters who encouraged it, nooooooooo.

A teacher should never hand their degree over to any recruiter or any director. It should be presented to a consulate or immigration officer directly, the only parties in the process without a vested interested in keeeping fraud going.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Consulate is little help Reply with quote

latinthrilla wrote:
The notarized copy takes 1-2 days so if you are in a rush then it's faster to send your original degree.

Must you take it in by hand, or can you mail it? Do they charge for this?
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Replacement diploma Reply with quote

latinthrilla wrote:
I checked out my university (UWO) in Ontario and it seems pretty easy to get a replacement diploma, it's $44 CND but I may take up to 6 weeks. Here's the link http://www3.registrar.uwo.ca/InfoServices/Diplomas.cfm, I don't know what it's like in other provinces.

GMAN, to get your degree notarized, take it to any lawyer and have them notarize your photo copy (usually do it for free). Take that to the consulate. It may take a couple of days to get it back though.

If it's true that your diploma can be certified by any local notary, there's no need to go to a lawyer...many public offices have a notary. They CAN charge a fee, I think usually US$2 or so, but often don't if they are a notary as part of their work responsabilities.

HOWEVER...from reviewing posts here, I believe this won't work. I believe it needs to be certified/"notarized" at the Korean consulate.

Can anyone prove me wrong? DO you have first-hand experience (in, say the past six months) of having a diploma copy certified by an outside notary and then accepted for a visa application?
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