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Ron Stevens



Joined: 10 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Entering without a visa Reply with quote

Quick question?

I've sent over all the documentation for the E2 visa for the school.

The school is organising a one-way ticket. I know as a NZ citizen there is a reciprocal visa waiver agreement, hence no visa requirement for 90 day entry

however are they OK with entering on a one-way ticket with no onward or return flight?

Thanks in advance

RON STEVENS
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NearlyKorean



Joined: 15 Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually they are not okay with that, especially on a tourist visa.
What I did is bought my visa run ticket and that will satisfy them.

Best wishes,
NK...
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:58 am    Post subject: Re: Entering without a visa Reply with quote

Ron Stevens wrote:
Quick question?

I've sent over all the documentation for the E2 visa for the school.

The school is organising a one-way ticket. I know as a NZ citizen there is a reciprocal visa waiver agreement, hence no visa requirement for 90 day entry

however are they OK with entering on a one-way ticket with no onward or return flight?

Thanks in advance

RON STEVENS


I've never had a problem. Near the end of the flight they will give you a form that you have to fill out, and explain why you are coming to Korea. I always put "teacher" in the occupation box. When I get to Korea they look at it and ask for the visa. I tell them my director is sending me to Japan in a couple of days to get it. They ask me if I know teaching without a visa is illegal, I say yes, I'm going to wait until I have it, and get waved on through.

Gone in on a one way ticket twice and no problems at all.
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Ron Stevens



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:08 am    Post subject: Re: Entering without a visa Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Ron Stevens wrote:
Quick question?

I've sent over all the documentation for the E2 visa for the school.

The school is organising a one-way ticket. I know as a NZ citizen there is a reciprocal visa waiver agreement, hence no visa requirement for 90 day entry

however are they OK with entering on a one-way ticket with no onward or return flight?

Thanks in advance

RON STEVENS


I've never had a problem. Near the end of the flight they will give you a form that you have to fill out, and explain why you are coming to Korea. I always put "teacher" in the occupation box. When I get to Korea they look at it and ask for the visa. I tell them my director is sending me to Japan in a couple of days to get it. They ask me if I know teaching without a visa is illegal, I say yes, I'm going to wait until I have it, and get waved on through.

Gone in on a one way ticket twice and no problems at all.


interesting. the recruitment company seemed quite nonchalant about the whole thing re me having no hassles and they're paying for the ticket whereas the travel agent is not instilling a lot of confidence by giving me worst case scenarios

i searched this site and the info i could find seemed quite ambiguous
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why couldn't they get you your E2 Visa before arriving in Korea? If you're going there to teach you shouldn't have to enter the country on a tourist Visa...you should have all that sorted out before you get there.

It seems like a waste of money to make you go to Osaka for a Visa run when you're in New Zealand now and can get the Visa while you're there.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience you can't..

I've flown from Australia 2 times without an E2 visa with Qantas(just going for a tourist)

*one time I even had an outward ticket(to japan) and that didn't even do the job as the said since i didn't have a return ticket home(only to Japan) they wouldn't let me on the plane...i expalained i have an outward ticket so it shouldn't be a problem so after 20 minutes of umminbg and arring and me insisting and the supervisor coming over i finally got on the plane...that was WITH an outward ticket(a ferry ticket to Fukuoka)

*the other time I didn't and they refused to let me on point blank(that was at brisbane) so i had to buy a refundable ticket at the airport with a credit card and get the refund when i got here....

I wouldn't risk it, coming from Australia and new Zealand they have seemed quite adament about it, especially Qantas, British Air, Japan Air and Air New Zealand....

However if you do make it through you are set as it is the immigration in New Zealand whose job it is to make sure you don't get on(it is actually illegal to let passengers on without an outward ticket) and Korea won't even check
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: Re: Entering without a visa Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Ron Stevens wrote:
Quick question?

I've sent over all the documentation for the E2 visa for the school.

The school is organising a one-way ticket. I know as a NZ citizen there is a reciprocal visa waiver agreement, hence no visa requirement for 90 day entry

however are they OK with entering on a one-way ticket with no onward or return flight?

Thanks in advance

RON STEVENS


I've never had a problem. Near the end of the flight they will give you a form that you have to fill out, and explain why you are coming to Korea. I always put "teacher" in the occupation box. When I get to Korea they look at it and ask for the visa. I tell them my director is sending me to Japan in a couple of days to get it. They ask me if I know teaching without a visa is illegal, I say yes, I'm going to wait until I have it, and get waved on through.

Gone in on a one way ticket twice and no problems at all.

Concur. I had a question at immigration only once (after I had already deplaned in Korea) and they could see previous E-2 stamps in my passport. I showed some ATM carfds for Korean banks to let them know I had some money in this country. I told them I would stay with friends for a month while looking for my next teaching gig, then do a visa run to Japan. They had seen the same thing before from other teachers, so no hassle.

In your case, as a newbie, it might help to show a major credit card. They are most concerned that you will have means to leave and not hassle Korea with themselves paying the cost of getting you out if you turn up destitute. Think about it, and it's not unreasonable for them to want that. If you have an email from a school giving you a firm offer, why not print it out and bring it also? Couldn't hurt, I figure.

Might also help to have a fresh haircut, neatly-trimmed beard (if you sport one) and maybe even a nice jacket, and if you are getting ready to meet a new employer you would do well to have those anyway ... mainly, I think, if you look like you just came here from the latest Full Moon Party down on whatever island in Thailand they are doing that these days, then you might cause worry for them.

When people who work in offices all day cause you problems because of a rule in a book someone wrote for them, best policy is to smile and let them know they can safely let reality rule instead this time. Believe it or not, these people want to help you, because if they can find a way to do it, you will go away, and then their lives will be peaceful again, and free from disturbing choices.
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Ron Stevens



Joined: 10 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Big Mac"]Why couldn't they get you your E2 Visa before arriving in Korea? If you're going there to teach you shouldn't have to enter the country on a tourist Visa...you should have all that sorted out before you get there.

It seems like a waste of money to make you go to Osaka for a Visa run when you're in New Zealand now and can get the Visa while you're there.[/quote

that would be the best option but not enough time
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Ron Stevens



Joined: 10 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

appreciate the responses

i'm thinking i might just use their contribution paid for the one way toward a 12 mth return ticket

i'm still a bit concerned re possible outcomes
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron Stevens wrote:
appreciate the responses

i'm thinking i might just use their contribution paid for the one way toward a 12 mth return ticket

i'm still a bit concerned re possible outcomes


Your airline in NZ might also have a problem with it. I'd try to hold out and use this to get a return ticket. Then, if things don't work out and you have to pull a runner, you're all set.
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Otus



Joined: 09 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You probably got all the answers by now. Actually, I'm surprised this issue doesn't come up more often. What I say is only based on experience:

They will not let you through the check in at a New Zealand airport on a tourist visa without a return ticket.

Many hagwons and universities bring teachers in on tourist visas first because the process is much faster than having the paperwork processed from a foreign Korean embassy before coming. The embassies exagerate about how long it takes, normally it can be done within a month.

If you arrive in Korea on a tourist visa it avoids the delaying process of having the documents sent from Korea to a foreign embassy. The documents are readily obtained here and it's so much easier for them to send you out again - but in the case of universities, damned expensive as they are not paying for any of your travel.

In many cases Hagwons will pressure you to start working on the tourist visa as soon as you get here because they have been lazy about getting the E2 application together. Not advisable. I remember one teacher who got caught and punished for this by immigration - posted on this board and was beaten down on senselessly by one or two know-it-all preachers. In reality this process is almost entrapment.

If you finish a hagwon and go for a uni or another hagwon and want a break in between; here's something you can negotiate if lucky.

Line up the new job.

Then tell your new employer you are taking a short trip home and tell them you will give contact details for the nearest K. embassy to process your E2 or E1

Do not believe the nearest K. embassy when they tell you it may take up to 6 months to process. You can get it in one month. Stay on their backs.

I did that with my first uni job in 1998 and the uni paid salary for the month I was away since I'd already signed the contract and the delay was for legitimate reasons.

Hope this may be useful to some.
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kiwikid



Joined: 28 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently dealing with the same problem. The solution the travel agent came up with was buying a ticket to Japan (Fukuoka) with a stopover in Seoul. She said I would have no problems getting on the plane here (NZ) to korea as I have an onward ticket, the only thing was when I went to go to Fukuoka I would need to get a return or onward ticket. That'll be no problem as I 'll be doing a visa run and the school will be paying. The Fukuoka part of the trip can also be changed to anytime with no cost so if I don't use it for the visa run I can use it for a holiday later. There was only about a $20 difference between a ticket to Seoul and a ticket to Japan.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if you have your E-2 visa in the passport, but you want to come 2 weeks early to do some sightseeing? Is that going to get me scrutinized or not allowed to board?
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
What if you have your E-2 visa in the passport, but you want to come 2 weeks early to do some sightseeing? Is that going to get me scrutinized or not allowed to board?


You shouldn't have any problem. Most likely you'll have to get an extension at the end of your contract though because immigration will probably have the dates on your ARC reflect when you entered Korea.
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