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if you found out that your recruiter was fraudulent, would you report him/her?
yes.
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no.
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: should i report tax fraud? Reply with quote

if you found out that your recruiter was doing some serious tax fraud, would you report him/her?

if you are working at a public school and your "manager" has access to your bank account and you don't, then what you are doing is illegal.

the korean gov't thinks i made 35 million won last year and i made 15 million, my recruiter made the difference. that means that my recruiter made 20 million won off me and probably off all the other teachers she had working for her. she isn't paying taxes on that money either, she told me herself...

so should i report it or not? does anyone else have any similar experiences. if you aren't comfortable posting, please pm me.

thanks.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is this even a debate? Report them and get them in trouble. They are cheating the government but more importantly, they are cheating YOU. Why would you want to protect such people?
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

given the way that foreigners are treated in korea, i don't want to be considered complacent in this crime. i have heard of english teachers being deported for things that their bosses have done. i have a new job and am happy at it and don't want to risk being deported.
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: should i report tax fraud? Reply with quote

blackbear wrote:
paperbag princess wrote:
if you found out that your recruiter was doing some serious tax fraud, would you report him/her?

if you are working at a public school and your "manager" has access to your bank account and you don't, then what you are doing is illegal.

the korean gov't thinks i made 35 million won last year and i made 15 million, my recruiter made the difference. that means that my recruiter made 20 million won off me and probably off all the other teachers she had working for her. she isn't paying taxes on that money either, she told me herself...

so should i report it or not? does anyone else have any similar experiences. if you aren't comfortable posting, please pm me.

thanks.



Which one is it this time?


which one which? the recruiter? i'm not saying until i've cleared this matter up.
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gypsyfish



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paperbag princess wrote:
given the way that foreigners are treated in korea, i don't want to be considered complacent in this crime. i have heard of english teachers being deported for things that their bosses have done. i have a new job and am happy at it and don't want to risk being deported.


If you do nothing, you are complacent to the crime. Report them so you aren't complicit.
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The funny thing is that you seem actually outraged Surprised .
There is not a single company in Korea that doesn't commit tax fraud. I mean every single business. You reporting them is a joke (more funny because you seem to think it is important). Report away my good man, report away...

Everyone here seems to think Koreans are stupid...they are not. Just because you don't see the purpose of what they are doing, doesn't mean there isn't a purpose.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In North America, if you work for a temp agency, they contract you out. You get paid, say, $20 an hour and the agency bills the company $40 an hour. They collect the $40 and give you $20. Of course, for income tax purposes, your T slip or whatever they call it in the USA reports your $20 an hour income.

Anyway, are you sure you're not working for your recruiter and being billed to the school at the agency rate?
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got my tax forms from the school. the school thinks they paid me that money. the recruiter makes you open a bank account in your name and then controls it. i beleive that the school actually doesn't know about what the recruiter is doing.
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maddog



Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the gov't thinks you earned 35M, then surely YOU paid tax on 35M, even though you earned less than half that. In other words, you paid your recruiter a tax free salary of 20M. No disrespect, but why are you earning as little as 15M? I am reading it wrong? Anyway, report the fcuker.

I made the mistake of working without a visa. My employer stalled my visa run indefinately. He took 300K a month in deductions. (which was too much anyway) and didn't pay a penny to the gov't. How could - I was illegal. After I bailed, I reported him.

If you don't report him you're selling out yourself and every other ESL teacher in Korea.
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paperbag princess wrote:
i got my tax forms from the school. the school thinks they paid me that money. the recruiter makes you open a bank account in your name and then controls it. i beleive that the school actually doesn't know about what the recruiter is doing.


Why not just ask the school to pay a new bank account you opened?

Then when the recruiter threatens to sue you, ask them if they want to go down to the tax office to discuss what has been done to you and perhaps some of her other clients. Then ask if they want to go down to the labor board (I am thinking that this kind of arrangement may be illegal to do with foreigners as many DDD workers would get royally screwed over).

I really think you should do that. If they were doing it like back home where $20 to you and $20 to the agency and then each party getting taxed correctly, then I would say leave it be. But you are getting fucked with the taxes. If you are a Canuck, you are double fucked right?

Let's say they are doing this with five people for a total of 75 million a year. If they are not paying taxes, it's like having a salary of 100 million per year.
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, first off, i'm going to talk to the canadian tax people and see what they have to say about all of this. if they say they're going to tax me at the rate of 35 mil then i'm gonna do something about it.

it was a 10 month contract and i was only working 15 hours a week, the salary was 1.5mil/month.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the recruiter makes you open a bank account in your name and then controls it.


How did that happen???

Why would anyone open a bank account and give access to a recruiter?

By the way, before reporting the guy, I would make sure that you won't be the one left holding the bag as he or she slips away un-touched....
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Beej



Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im in a similar situation but with a sinister twist. For example: The school pays 2.5 million into the account with my name that the agent has access to. The agent takes his 500,000 and pays me 2million into my real account. But at the end of the year the agent pays my tax bill on the whole 2.5 a month. So the tax office believes they are getting the correct amount. The tax rate on a monthly income of 2.5 million is drastically lower than on 15 million a month( about what this agent is skimming)

Then the agent kicks back some of the money to the principal of the school. Im talking about 30 teachers here over a few different schools. Large amount of money.
I worked at my school ( a well known and prestigious private elementary school) for two years. I proved myself and was a respected teacher amongst students, parents, and korean faculty. This year i didnt want to do this tax evasion, and the school didnt renew my contract. The monthly skim was more important to the principal than having reliable teachers.

Its thievery perpetrated by the principal and his agent friend. Basically stealing from the schools foundation. This has erased any remaining respect I had for Korean culture.

I have considered turning them in to the tax office. You can even get a whistle blower reward. My friend turned in her ex company and recently got 30 million. However I think it would be futile since the tax office already got theirs.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the heck is wrong with you guys? (sorry if this insults you).

Who in their right mind would give access to their bank account to a recruiter or to anyone else besides your employer and then for direct deposit purposes only?

I am sorry you guys are in this spot and hope it works out for you but I cannot understand how anyone would accept a situation like this with regards to setting up an account....
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Beej



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
What the heck is wrong with you guys? (sorry if this insults you).

Who in their right mind would give access to their bank account to a recruiter or to anyone else besides your employer and then for direct deposit purposes only?

I am sorry you guys are in this spot and hope it works out for you but I cannot understand how anyone would accept a situation like this with regards to setting up an account....


I let the recruiter do it. Its not my real account. He couldnt steal any money from me. It was a really good job. If i didnt do this I would not have gotten the job. After teaching for awhile and showing my worth, i though I could deal directly with the school. But I was wrong to assume that a Korean principal would put the interetsts of his school ahead of a little extra cash.
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