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paperbag princess
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What the heck is wrong with you guys? (sorry if this insults you).
Who in their right mind would give access to their bank account to a recruiter or to anyone else besides your employer and then for direct deposit purposes only?
I am sorry you guys are in this spot and hope it works out for you but I cannot understand how anyone would accept a situation like this with regards to setting up an account.... |
I let the recruiter do it. Its not my real account. He couldnt steal any money from me. It was a really good job. If i didnt do this I would not have gotten the job. After teaching for awhile and showing my worth, i though I could deal directly with the school. But I was wrong to assume that a Korean principal would put the interetsts of his school ahead of a little extra cash. |
same here, besides when i asked people about it, they said everyone does it, it's ok. and i figured, "hey, it's a public school, how corrupt can it be?" so i was stupid. this should stop. i just don't want to get screwed by taking the moral stand. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| I let the recruiter do it. Its not my real account. He couldnt steal any money from me. It was a really good job. If i didnt do this I would not have gotten the job. After teaching for awhile and showing my worth, i though I could deal directly with the school. But I was wrong to assume that a Korean principal would put the interetsts of his school ahead of a little extra cash. |
But it is your real account in Korea isn't it?
It is where your pay is deposited right?
So he can steal from you if he has access and is so inclined.
If this bank access thing was a condition of employment then there is no way you should have taken that job...the mere fact that he said you would not get the job unless you agreed to give the recruiter access to your bank account should have raised an alarm bell somewhere....
Again, I do hope you guys manage to get this solved to your advantage but I still cannot for the life of me understand how anyone would give access to their bank account (yes even your bank account in Korea) to anyone except their employer for direct deposit purposes.
The recruiter should get a fee from the school that hired you..period. This should not cost you a penny as it is the school who hired the recruiter to find a teacher.
Some recruiters take a fee from the first paychecks of a teacher, agreeing to this is also a mistake....
You have to make informed decisions out there and avoid putting yourself out there to get cheated..... |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| I let the recruiter do it. Its not my real account. He couldnt steal any money from me. It was a really good job. If i didnt do this I would not have gotten the job. After teaching for awhile and showing my worth, i though I could deal directly with the school. But I was wrong to assume that a Korean principal would put the interetsts of his school ahead of a little extra cash. |
But it is your real account in Korea isn't it?
It is where your pay is deposited right?
So he can steal from you if he has access and is so inclined.
If this bank access thing was a condition of employment then there is no way you should have taken that job...the mere fact that he said you would not get the job unless you agreed to give the recruiter access to your bank account should have raised an alarm bell somewhere....
Again, I do hope you guys manage to get this solved to your advantage but I still cannot for the life of me understand how anyone would give access to their bank account (yes even your bank account in Korea) to anyone except their employer for direct deposit purposes.
The recruiter should get a fee from the school that hired you..period. This should not cost you a penny as it is the school who hired the recruiter to find a teacher.
Some recruiters take a fee from the first paychecks of a teacher, agreeing to this is also a mistake....
You have to make informed decisions out there and avoid putting yourself out there to get cheated..... |
I dont think you fully grasp my situation. This isnt a recruiter in a traditional sense. He is more of an agent. He manages the contracts for the school ( 12 in all) He has had a long standing relationship with the principal. The school doesnt pay him money to find me.
And no he cant steal my money. He can just not pay me, but that could happen with any account.
This is how the school does business. The principal wants his cut. I never really got cheated. I got all of my money.When I decided i didnt want to help them steal money anymore, they decided to find someone else. That simple. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: |
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I see beej...
Well too bad this happened to you.....
Live and learn I guess.
They let you go when you raised the issue with them but they had never stolen from you....when did you do this (how long into your contract?) |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: |
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I see beej...
Well too bad this happened to you.....
Live and learn I guess.
They let you go when you raised the issue with them but they had never stolen from you....when did you do this (how long into your contract?) |
I worked under this scheme for two years. I have heard a lot about this recently, so I though it was in my best interest to go legit. The school had different ideas. I still may report them to the tax office and labor board if I get bored in the next month.. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Well I can only applaud your desire to be "legit" here.
However, why report them if you get "bored"? If this matters to you and you are no longer working there...just report them. Otherwise, leave it alone because reporting them just to liven up your life may backfire big time...as they just might be angry they got busted by an ex-employee...and it won't take them long to figure out who turned them in.... |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:31 am Post subject: |
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I see beej...
Well too bad this happened to you.....
Live and learn I guess.
They let you go when you raised the issue with them but they had never stolen from you....when did you do this (how long into your contract?) |
I worked under this scheme for two years. I have heard a lot about this recently, so I though it was in my best interest to go legit. The school had different ideas. I still may report them to the tax office and labor board if I get bored in the next month.. |
Come by the store and I will dig up some reporters' business cards I have collected over the years (main stream Korean newspapers not English ones). They are always looking for a story (desperate actually). |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Well I can only applaud your desire to be "legit" here.
However, why report them if you get "bored"? If this matters to you and you are no longer working there...just report them. Otherwise, leave it alone because reporting them just to liven up your life may backfire big time...as they just might be angry they got busted by an ex-employee...and it won't take them long to figure out who turned them in.... |
I was being facetious about the bored part. I will give the info to my korean friend and let her turn them in. Tax fraud is ripping her off, not me so much. Big rewards can be had Im told. Maybe we can take a European vacation together.
If they do find out who turned them in, what could they do? Im not so concerned about that. It doesnt really matter to me that much. I have come to expect nothing but despicable behavior from Koreans when money is involved. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Beej,
They could, quite simply, implicate you as a willing participant of the fraud....this could (not saying would here) have legal consequences if charges are pressed....
As for letting your korean friend handle it...thats one way to go.
Anyway, best of luck with that and I hope it does some good. |
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DallasTexas
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul Korea
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Seems there are quite a few people who have decided to go along with "tuition bank accounts" scam where the recruiters use the teacher to cheat the department of education and the tax men.
People....this will only stop if we refuse to play the game. It's our skills, our educations, and our faces that they need. If we don't take their illegal jobs, they will have to decide how to deal with us in a legal manner.
I'm not even bothering to go back and discuss the job offer with Win Education. (see my post under "Tuition Bank Accounts")
If they want to run some dishonest little scam on the public education people, I personally don't want ANY part of it. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Who is the "legal" name on the recruiters/your account? If it is yours then you are accepting responsibility and you are then merely "gifting" money to a friend.
Is pension being paid on the full w35,000 and if and when you claim it back, how much was "actually" paid if any? I'm assuming rampant greed and arrogance on the part of your professional advisers may have gleefully overlooked since you are not expected to stay indefinately; that is their problems are always "solved" when the waygook leaves the ROK. No or few legal comebacks guaranteed if the teacher couldn't "sort it" in the first place.
Aren't you tax free for the first two years anyway(there's a specific form that needs to be filed to activate this tax exemption; search on EFL-Law; EPIK has an explanation on it's FAQ as well)?
Does your country of origin have a taxation exchange agreement with the korean tax dept.? How do you file taxes in your home country? Otherwise, you may end up getting double-taxed if it isn't made clear that you are non-resident in your own country; taxed again on your recruiter buddies gift dinero as "your earnings" are there smack dab under your name. What good friends you are.
It's a tough call to realize people you've trusted have been snakes in the grass after "getting" comfortable with your placement.
Inquire with the tax office(request your contributions to date).
Inquire with the dept responsible for pension(request your contributions to date).
If anyone should ask, say your tax department demands it for local taxation purposes(read; not your fault the man demands your compliance)
Read your contract again and question the status que(in a nice way). |
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mishlert
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| i asked people about it, they said everyone does it, it's ok. |
Hey, everyone is jumping off the bridge. You're going to jump too, right?
But seriously, my first year in Korea I dealt with 3 recruiters and not one of them mentioned anything about having to have access to my bank account.
Later, when looking for a uni job, I dealt with a uni teacher recruiter and she told me that since the unis won't pay her fee, she charges 25% of the first month's check which I would pay her. Again, no access to my account.
The uni I work at found me and I never had to pay her anything.
Man, I don't care how great the job/ school is. I would NEVER let anyone have access to my bank account, period.
Being told that everyone is doing it is wrong and one should know better.
Actually doing it because 'everyone does it, it's ok' is just stupid.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
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paperbag princess
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| well, i thought it was a little sketchy, but seriously, where i come from you expect the public schools to be above board. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| well, i thought it was a little sketchy, but seriously, where i come from you expect the public schools to be above board. |
True enough but you still would not grant anyone at that school access to your bank account right?
Anyway, calling them on the fraud is a good idea. Like I said, just make sure that when you blow the whistle you won't be pulled in along with the person you are reporting....
As was mentioned talk to the relevant departments here about your situation and possibly get legal advice as to what might happen. |
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