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Muffin



Joined: 01 Mar 2006
Location: Turkey

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:46 pm    Post subject: Looking for work from UK Reply with quote

I am a British teacher looking for work in Korea. I have been searching ads online for months but am worried for two reasons. Firstly, most of the advertisers are blacklisted somewhere which makes me wonder whether I would do better to just go to Korea and look for work there.

Secondly, a lot of schools seem to prefer North Americans, so I am concerned that as a Brit I may find it more difficult to get a job if I turn up transcripts and diplomas in hand. I am thirty-seven years old, that may also count against me. I have been an EFL teacher for fifteen years (on and off) and I am also a secondary school teacher.

I would welcome your comments.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel for you. I think you've hit the nail on the head about your biggest problems. Yes, the North American accent thing is a real problem for people from Britain. It's unfortunate, but a fact.

Also, private language schools tend to seek out young faces for their schools. Appearance seems to be everything to Koreans, and a young white face is easier to market to Korean parents. So, you're right, that's another strike against you. I'm not saying either of these things are right...it's just reality.

In terms of age, it seems that the public schools are much more open to hiring older teachers, probably because they don't have to worry about marketing their foreign teachers. They may even be more open to hiring someone with a British accent.

The young, North Americans are probably going to be more likely to go for the jobs in big centres like Seoul or Busan while ignoring the smaller towns. So you might have more luck if you stick with smaller town hogwans and public schools.

You mentioned that you have been looking at online ads, but I think those are usually the bottom of the barrel-type jobs. The good jobs are going to be from recruiters who don't have to advertise their jobs and get their clientele from word-of-mouth and reputation. I can PM you the e-mail of one if you want, though I think she mostly recruits teachers from North America.
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Muffin



Joined: 01 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for your advice, i would be very grateful if you could PM the contact details you mentioned.

I will just add that most Asian people guess my age younger than 37! Perhaps a glimmer of hope...
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given your experience you'd probably find most hogwans appalling. I'd suggest trying the public school system if you can accept that Koreans just do things differently (and sometimes wrong). Another option might be adult academies.
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Muffin



Joined: 01 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your comments. If I were to try adult academies or public schools, what would be best, to find a job from England or to come to Korea on a tourist visa and look around?
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for work from UK Reply with quote

Muffin wrote:
I am a British teacher looking for work in Korea. I have been searching ads online for months but am worried for two reasons. Firstly, most of the advertisers are blacklisted somewhere which makes me wonder whether I would do better to just go to Korea and look for work there.

Secondly, a lot of schools seem to prefer North Americans, so I am concerned that as a Brit I may find it more difficult to get a job if I turn up transcripts and diplomas in hand. I am thirty-seven years old, that may also count against me. I have been an EFL teacher for fifteen years (on and off) and I am also a secondary school teacher.

I would welcome your comments.


HI Muffin

I am also a Brit, but a bit younger than you.
I have not had any problem finding a job here nor has anyone had any problem understanding my accent.
I currently work at a public school and I think due to your age that would be the best way to go. There is a guy who works at the school next to mine who I would say is about your age.
I got my job through www.englishwork.com, a recruiter. They were fine for me, but not for other people, so just make sure your ask the right questions and as many as possible.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Ilovebdt
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muffin wrote:
Thanks for your comments. If I were to try adult academies or public schools, what would be best, to find a job from England or to come to Korea on a tourist visa and look around?


I'd try to find a job from the UK first. I think a lot of adult academies would be very interested in someone with your experience, and you may be able to find something that pays better than 2.0; avoiding split shifts may be a problem, however.
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another educated Canadian speaking out about things they just do not know.

Look Muffin here is the truth..

Koreans dig that sexy English accent as it screams sophistication. You will be just fine do not worry about it.

Now remember Canada is the country that spawned Tom Green who we all remembered is famous for humping a dead moose on national tv.

If a school comments about your accent just remind them about tom green and you will be a sure shoo in.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan The Chainsawman wrote:
Another educated Canadian speaking out about things they just do not know.

Look Muffin here is the truth..

Koreans dig that sexy English accent as it screams sophistication. You will be just fine do not worry about it.

Now remember Canada is the country that spawned Tom Green who we all remembered is famous for humping a dead moose on national tv.

If a school comments about your accent just remind them about tom green and you will be a sure shoo in.


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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan The Chainsawman wrote:

Koreans dig that sexy English accent as it screams sophistication. You will be just fine do not worry about it.


Hmmm. That's not what they've told me. They tell me they find it difficult to understand. Judging by all the job postings that ask for North Americans, I think it is pretty clear that Korean employers have their biases on this.

I agree though that the English accent sounds much more sophisticated than the watered-down version of English we speak in North America. I'll give you that.

Unfortunately it's just not what Korean parents want.

I have to tell the story about how a parent freaked out at my school because she noticed that when I wrote I used "our" endings on words like "colour." She had looked up these words in the dictionary and it said that my spelling was British. She was ready to pull her kid out of the school because she said she didn't want someone with a British accent teaching her children. The school gently explained to her that in Canada we use British spellings and that I definitely spoke with a North American accent. That calmed her down.

It's pathetic, but reality.
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has nothing to do with accent. It has all the more to do with Moose Humping.

Get back on the subject.

You come from a nation of moral degenerates and need need to be purged with the fires of hell.

Get a clue.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan The Chainsawman wrote:

You come from a nation of moral degenerates and need need to be purged with the fires of hell.

Get a clue.


OK, well maybe that's so. Sorry you feel that way.

I like your country....
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is truly pathetic. I've met US and Canadians with truly demented accents, most Brit teachers here are generally much better spoken.

Some Koreans are truly ignorant when it comes to English and the importance of accents. Accents aren't really important as long as you enunciate clearly.

A lot of idiots attempting to learn English think it is more important to memorise obscure American slang than actually be able to communicate in the language properly.

Any way the OP will have a slightly harder time getting a job here than a north American but it is doable. Just takes a bit longer.


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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some Korean parents prefer a North American accent ( whatever that is) but I've been asked to teach a British accent before, and I'm Canadian
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keithinkorea wrote:
It is truly pathetic. I've met US and Canadians with truly demented accents, most Brit teachers here are generally much better spoken.

Some Koreans are truly ignorant when it comes to English and the importance of accents. Accents aren't really important as long as you enunciate clearly.

A lot of idiots attempting to learn English think it is more important to memorise obscure American slang than actually be able to communicate in the language properly.

Any way the OP will have a slightly harder time getting a job here than a north American but it is doable. Just takes a bit longer.


I think that's generally true. A lot depends on whether the interviewer can understand you. Most of them can't tell an English accent from a NA one, but if you speak clearly in a way they can understand they'll be impressed.

And yes, educated Englishmen are usually better spoken than educated North Americans. Footballers and hockey players are roughly on the same level (and the average Swede is much better spoken than the average Canadian, lol).
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