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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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I believe it was said, if she was married to a korean, she is entitles to teach at the hagwan?
And btw, a native speaker is defined, in my views, as someone born and bred in that country.a passport does not make you a "native" of that country. A "native" of anything is something that is from that country and is not naturaly found anywhere else. Sure she may consider herself a "canadian" citizen but certainly not a native speaker of english.
We just recently had an a man of arab descent fob himself off as an australian man. Spoke pretty good english, but certainly did not look like a native speaking australian to me. |
If she is married to a Korean then legally she can teach. If she is a good speaker, i.e. almost fluent, then she should be able to teach.
If she is illegal, report her.
And what does a native speaking aussie look like? White? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I knew a Swede that the Hogwon owner tried to pass of as a native English speaker. His English was ood... but not native. Actually he was here studying Korean, I never did hear how long he lasted though.
How's this Russian doing? |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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To me, being a native speaker really has nothing to do with where you are from. Being a native speaker just means that 'English' is your first language. I am sure there are plenty of people in other countries whose first language could be English, and likewise, there could be people from English countries whose first language is NOT English.
However, the easiest way to control all of this is just to look where people are from, which is a very flawed way of doing things.
The only real effective way to test if somebody is a native speaker, is to have an interview conducted by another native speaker. |
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pest1
Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: anyone ever had a co-worker from russia in a hogwan??? |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I think the point is that she's being passed off as a Canadian native speaker when she's not. |
So, then, what's this all a-boat? How can ya tell whether er not someun has bean raised in Canada from der accent?
It's much easier to pass a Russian as a Canadian to the parents than trying to convince them, say, a Chinese Canadian is in fact a Canadian. When I worked in China, I saw many school employing French, Germans, Hungarians etc to be English teachers, but refuse to employ Asians who actually are native English speakers. The bottom line is is the person a good teacher? But unfortunately that's not how parents think. |
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pest1
Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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native speaker is defined, in my views... A "native" of anything is something that is from that country and is not naturaly found anywhere else. Spoke pretty good english, but certainly did not look like a native speaking australian to me. |
Thank God you don't work for the dictionary company. So, everyone here in Korea who claims to be a native speaker from another country is lying because they are here and not in thier 'native country' according to what you say. I was born in New Zealand but Im not there, Im found here so therefore I'm not a native New Zealander. Or maybe you can still find me in New Zealand but not naturally now that I left 
What happens to someone who is a native speaking australian to make them look like a native speaker? Do they have a pouch that can not be found anywhere else? I have to hop along now see you later.... |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| long time ago I met a couple of Iranians who were teaching English at a hogwon, they had Iranian passports and tourist visas. Director told them to tell the kids they were from Calif. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:22 am Post subject: Re: anyone ever had a co-worker from russia in a hogwan??? |
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| how normal is it to have a russian pretend to be a canadian in a hogwan? new co-worker starts this week. i'm sure she's a nice lass but does this happen often??? |
What do you mean by pretend to be a Canadian? You mean to the students? I had a Korean-American co-worker once who was told by management to tell students that he was in no way Korean...that was strange. Never worked with a Russian pretending to be a Canadian though. Never worked with a Russian-Canadian either. However, I've had a few students from Japan who were teaching Japanese here as well as one Korean student who taught French in some hakwon. |
she tried to pretend to the coworkers, by saying that she was canadian. of course we could tell immediately by the accent. we already have a korean teacher pretending to be american - from orange county. ha |
Never heard of immigrants? |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: Re: anyone ever had a co-worker from russia in a hogwan??? |
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| stakay wrote: |
| how normal is it to have a russian pretend to be a canadian in a hogwan? new co-worker starts this week. i'm sure she's a nice lass but does this happen often??? |
I have Russian Coworker.. She is a great teacher.. Her english is superb. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Immigration pays 2-3 million for reporting illegal teachers. You can do it anonymously. Something to consider. |
only if messing up someone's life for a bit of money is how u get your *beep* and giggles. |
So how do you get paid when you make an anonymous report? |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: anyone ever had a co-worker from russia in a hogwan??? |
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I had a guy on the subway recently express surprise I was an English teacher as parents want their children too speak with a good American accent. At least these ignoramases are allowing their kids to be taught the clearer and easier on the ear Canadian accent.
When I started a letter was sent to the parents telling them I was from Canada although I was allowed to tell the children I was from Australia (What parents and kids don't talk here?). I count myself lucky though as I met a guy recently from Ireland who has to tell his kids he's from Canada. Discussion of kangaroos and koalas filled my first few difficult lessons nicely.
Hey there is a Russian English accent a Scottish English accent even a Korean English accent our job I guess is to help the Korean English accent be understandable to other English speakers, by not adding vowels when a word ends in a consonant, pronouncing a final 's' and being able to say 'f', 'v' and 'l'. |
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crazykiwi
Joined: 07 Jun 2003
Location: new zealand via daejeon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank God you don't work for the dictionary company |
so lets first thank the Lord O Mighty for my chosen profession NOT being a DICKtionary company employee.
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| So, everyone here in Korea who claims to be a native speaker from another country is lying because they are here and not in thier 'native country' according to what you say |
rRead my post more carefully. I stated not NATURALY found. Hence, it is not natural for you to be found in Korea. You are here by means of choice not nature. Stop being a smart ar$e, you know exactly what i meant.
If I choose to learn korean fluently, held a Korean passport, received a korean residency or the like, would I become, automatically, a native speaker of Korean. NO. I don't think so. Sure I could probably teach it if the market allowed, but I still wouldn't fob myself off as a native speaker.
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| What happens to someone who is a native speaking australian to make them look like a native speaker? |
This was a mistake on my part. He didn't sound like a Australian, neither look like your typical Australian either. He looked like an Arab (or something along those lines) and upon first looks, one would assume he was. Then when he opened his mouth, by golly i was right, definatly not your typical australian accent, more like an arab accent  horror. |
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Picotrain
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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Mila Kunis from "That 70's Show" was born in Russia. She lives in America now. I'd have absolutely no problem having her as an English teacher  It's not about where you were born, it's about the quality of English. As long as the teacher has mastered the English language and makes very few mistakes gramatically, plus his/her accent is easily intelligible and they are working here legally I see no problem. |
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pest1
Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| crazykiwi wrote: |
rRead my post more carefully. I stated not NATURALY found. Hence, it is not natural for you to be found in Korea. You are here by means of choice not nature. Stop being a smart ar$e, you know exactly what i meant.
If I choose to learn korean fluently, held a Korean passport, received a korean residency or the like, would I become, automatically, a native speaker of Korean. NO. I don't think so. Sure I could probably teach it if the market allowed, but I still wouldn't fob myself off as a native speaker.
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I truly will be a smart ar$e if I could know exactly what you mean from your very confusing and over-simplified arguments in your original post. You defined a native speaker of a language as someone who was born and bred in a country where people spoke that language. There are many cases to prove that definition incomplete and inaccurate.
1. Suppose you married a Korean woman and had a child in Korea. Later you decided to move back to wherever you were from to give your child an English education. Now this child of yours will be a native speaker(of English) or not?
2. Suppose there were some illegal Mexican immigrants who settled down in USA and had babies. Suppose these babies never received any education as they were illegal and always lived within the Mexican community. Suppose they couldn't even speak English? Do you call them native English speakers?
Now lets look at your arguement about "nativity". You said things that are not naturally found in a country are not "native" to that country. Then unless you are a Maori, I can't think of you as a native new zealander. As I would think you ancestors must have moved from another country to New Zealand and therefore it was by your ancestor's choice that you end up in New Zealand and hence not nature? If you are not native to New Zealand, how does that make you a native English speaker with a New Zealand accent? |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| 2. Suppose there were some illegal Mexican immigrants who settled down in USA and had babies. Suppose these babies never received any education as they were illegal and always lived within the Mexican community. Suppose they couldn't even speak English? Do you call them native English speakers? |
Um, these children receive educaton as required by law. Children are required to go to school, and schools are required to not ask about immigration status. Despite your faulty premise, your point stands. These children are not first-language English speakers, but some may become fluent bilinguals before they leave school.
Of course, these kids will never be teaching English legally in Korea because they don't have US passports. I did once, however, work in a hogwon with a mixed Mexican-American guy who had been living in Mexico. His spoken English was perfect, but his reading and writing were rather weak. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| 2. Suppose there were some illegal Mexican immigrants who settled down in USA and had babies. Suppose these babies never received any education as they were illegal and always lived within the Mexican community. Suppose they couldn't even speak English? Do you call them native English speakers? |
Um, these children receive educaton as required by law. Children are required to go to school, and schools are required to not ask about immigration status. Despite your faulty premise, your point stands. These children are not first-language English speakers, but some may become fluent bilinguals before they leave school.
Of course, these kids will never be teaching English legally in Korea because they don't have US passports. I did once, however, work in a hogwon with a mixed Mexican-American guy who had been living in Mexico. His spoken English was perfect, but his reading and writing were rather weak. |
Born in the USA = USA citizen = USA passport |
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