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shortskirt_longjacket
Joined: 06 Jun 2004
Location: fitz and ernie are my raison d'etre
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| How do you know? Do you have a prophetic ability? Were you able to predict that America was going to overturn Wade and Roe or were you one of the naysayers? |
Did this happen already? |
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Xerxes
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Location: Down a certain (rabbit) hole, apparently
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| shortskirt_longjacket wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| How do you know? Do you have a prophetic ability? Were you able to predict that America was going to overturn Wade and Roe or were you one of the naysayers? |
Did this happen already? |
"Wade and Roe"? Sure, at a swimming pool near you! Not Roe v. Wade, however. |
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shortskirt_longjacket
Joined: 06 Jun 2004
Location: fitz and ernie are my raison d'etre
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Y'know, I thought I would have heard about it if that had happened. Glad I didn't miss it. 
Yeah, why does he insist on calling it "Wade and Roe?" Is that like a Christian thing or something? We were all giving him a hard time about it on like page 2 of this ten page thread and he's still doing it. It just makes him look like he doesn't know what he's talking about; it's a court case, not a vaudeville era comedy duo.
Abbot and Costello, Laurel and Hardy, and, of course, Wade and Roe! |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| shortskirt_longjacket wrote: |
Yeah, why does he insist on calling it "Wade and Roe?" ... We were all giving him a hard time about it on like page 2 of this ten page thread and he's still doing it.
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Do you really think he's listening to you at all?
He is the shepherd, and we are the sheep.
He is supposed to talk down to us and tell us what to do.
I imagine that it must be frustrating for him that we consider him to be an equal, not a superior, and refuse to blindly follow him. |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: |
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What will America be like when Wade and Roe is overturned?
More crowded.
Wait... Wade and Roe, or Roe v. Wade? |
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Xerxes
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Location: Down a certain (rabbit) hole, apparently
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| shortskirt_longjacket wrote: |
Y'know, I thought I would have heard about it if that had happened. Glad I didn't miss it.
Yeah, why does he insist on calling it "Wade and Roe?" Is that like a Christian thing or something? We were all giving him a hard time about it on like page 2 of this ten page thread and he's still doing it. It just makes him look like he doesn't know what he's talking about; it's a court case, not a vaudeville era comedy duo.
Abbot and Costello, Laurel and Hardy, and, of course, Wade and Roe! |
Unchangeability, happens after years of accepting dogma sans brain and logic.
Although he seems actually to have researched his posts quite a lot on his posts in the Current Events thread, which kinda makes you think he's either brilliant (  ) or has way too much time on his hands (  ). And then, he just lobs these massively insulting or just plain bizarre statements that make you agree with Troll_Bait that he's at once reeling you in and then socking it to ya when enticed enough for striking distance. Does make you feel sheepish. That's what makes you think he is a Troll.
If I were a Christian, I would be seriously pissed off that some lunatic like that were in my corner making me look like a buffoon  , just by association. Probably why Xian doesn't post here on this board anymore . He was actually kind of interesting to read and actually quite reasonable and persuasive in his writing.
(These emoticons are silly but funny to use, by the way) |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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He must be a Jehovah's Witness- they're the only people I know who truly revel in getting dumped on all the time.
"I had 5 people slam their doors in my face today! How'd you do?"
"I had 3 people slam their doors in my face, but 2 of them spit on me first, and then the last one ripped up my pamphlets."
"You win. Let's go over to the that house with the "beware of dog" sign on the fence and see who the dog will lunge at first." |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you know? Do you have a prophetic ability? Were you able to predict that America was going to overturn Wade and Roe or were you one of the naysayers? |
They aren't, because A) We have the beauty of separation of church and state, and B) it would mean the end of legitimate and safe abortion, which is not what the constituates of most representatives want to see. Don't fathom the thought that the Supreme Court would try to overturn what the General Assemply would never alllow to happen.
Besides, should it happen, that will just mean that all the real hypocrites like yourself will be forced to the back alley doctors, where they would go.
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| What happens if people start realizing they have to bear the consequence of having sex. The actually have to raise their children. |
No, they don't. We do. the regular citizen is forced to pay for their children.
What's even worse is that you are adding an unnecessary consequence to sex. I guess that it is not enough that the woman actually be troubled for the rest of her life because of the decision she has made. No, she should be forced to carry that unwanted child around with her for the rest of her life. In fact, you would probably want her to be forced to wear big scarlet letters as well, right?
I particularly like the sentence about people being forced to raise their own children. What, is adoption out of the question as well? Are you saying that not only is it against God to have an abortion, but it is also against God to give an unwanted child up for adoption?
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| They then become responsible and wait to have sex with someone they want to marry. They then have children because of responsibility? |
Um.. No. Responsibility to have children? What are you talking about? Do you even know?
You know, if you really wanted to prevent unwanted prgnancies or pre-mairtal sex, you should concentrate your efforts on reducing the amount of sexual material in books, magazines, television, radio, and other things that are accessible to children, especially the internet. The fact that teenagers can have abortions has much less bearing on their sexual activities than you think, but I guess that would require some research on your part rather than the mindless robotic blather you constantly spout.
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Wouldn't that cut down on the number of unwanted pregnancies?
Reduce the amount of sexually transmitted diseases?
Reduce the amount of girls with broken hearts, because of some lying guy,
Could it be possible that there would be a positive effect? |
A positive effect of the overturn of R v. W is what?
Non MD's performing coat-hanger abortions in unsanitary conditions? Is that what you think Jesus would want? Do you think Jesus thinks that women who have had abortions are all "murderers of children" and that they will never be allowed into heaven, or do you think that most women who have had abortions might hold a special place in his heart, much like prostitutes did?
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| People would become responsible with their choices rather than killing the unborn? Wouldn't that be a better choice? |
If you think that outlawing safe abortion would instantly create responsibility in people, you are out of your mind.
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| It feels like you have had to personally carry this burden. If so, I am sorry for your loss and your pain. And I am sorry you feel like men shouldn't have a voice on this, but I think we should since it's a choice by two parties. |
Here, I have to say that you have a point. It should be the choice of both parties. However, it is usually the woman who is stuck with the life-long burden of raising the child.
Now here's where it gets good...
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| I personally had to carry the burden of this in my own life. |
hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! 
You have to be kidding me! You are telling me that you, or even someone that thinks like you, allowed the abortion of your own progeny to take place? Why?
Allow me to guess! Is it because you weren't ready to have a child? Is it because you weren't able to be a stable father? So now you think that you are the one to tell all others that they shouldn't do exactly the same thing you did?!?! You are the biggest asshole/hypocrite that I have ever seen! You did what you needed to do when you needed to, but you are more than willing to condemn others for making the exact same decision!
Matthew 23:28
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| In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. |
1 Peter 2:1 (New International Version)
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| Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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PIERRE, South Dakota (AP) -- Gov. Mike Rounds signed legislation Monday banning nearly all abortions in South Dakota, setting up a court fight aimed at challenging the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.
The bill would make it a crime for doctors to perform an abortion unless the procedure was necessary to save the woman's life. It would make no exception for cases of rape or incest.
Planned Parenthood, which operates the state's only abortion clinic, in Sioux Falls, has pledged to challenge the measure in court. (Read the text of the law)
Rounds issued a written statement saying he expects the law will be tied up in court for years and will not take effect unless the Supreme Court upholds it.
"In the history of the world, the true test of a civilization is how well people treat the most vulnerable and most helpless in their society. The sponsors and supporters of this bill believe that abortion is wrong because unborn children are the most vulnerable and most helpless persons in our society. I agree with them," Rounds said in the statement.
The governor declined all media requests for interviews Monday.
The Legislature passed the bill last month after supporters argued that the recent appointment of conservative justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito have made the Supreme Court more likely to overturn Roe v. Wade.
South Dakota's abortion ban is to take effect July 1, but a federal judge is likely to suspend it during a legal challenge.
Rounds has said abortion opponents already are offering money to help the state pay legal bills for the anticipated court challenge. Lawmakers said an anonymous donor has pledged $1 million to defend the ban, and the Legislature set up a special account to accept donations for legal fees.
Under the new law, doctors could get up to five years in prison for performing an illegal abortion.
Rounds previously issued a technical veto of a similar bill passed two years ago because it would have wiped out all existing restrictions on abortion while the bill was tied up for years in a court challenge.
The statement he issued Monday noted that this year's bill was written to make sure existing restrictions will be enforced during the legal battle. Current state law sets increasingly stringent restrictions on abortions as pregnancy progresses. After the 24th week, the procedure is allowed only to protect the woman's health and safety.
About 800 abortions are performed each year in South Dakota. Planned Parenthood has said other women cross state lines to reach clinics. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/06/sd.abortionban.ap/index.html
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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It would make no exception for cases of rape or incest.
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This disgusts me the most.
Obviously South Dakota thinks the psychological suffering/trauma of girls/women who are victims of sexual assaults (often violent) should be perpetuated. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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It would make no exception for cases of rape or incest.
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This disgusts me the most.
Obviously South Dakota thinks the psychological suffering/trauma of girls/women who are victims of sexual assaults (often violent) should be perpetuated. |
The words 'South Dakota' and 'think' should quite obviously not be in the same sentence. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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South Dakota bans most abortions
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"The reversal of a Supreme Court opinion is possible," Rounds said, pointing to the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision that reversed the 1896 ruling that states could segregate public facilities by race if equal facilities were offered.
The bill "will give the United States Supreme Court a similar opportunity to reconsider an earlier opinion."
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They did it. I particularily like how they compared knocking out the abortion law to knocking out allowing segregation, like this is a new opportunity for the supreme court to overturn a bad decision! As an agnostic, I don't care what people think about God. But Christianity sure has a knack for being an a$$.
While I sincerely wish that as of this minute, there would never be another rape in the world, I truly wonder how these people would think if their 14 year old daughter was raped and became pregnant??? |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: |
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The words 'South Dakota' and 'think' should quite obviously not be in the same sentence. |
Let's not count them all out,
Or was that North Dakota? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Xerxes
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Location: Down a certain (rabbit) hole, apparently
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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It's starting...
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PIERRE, South Dakota (AP) -- Gov. Mike Rounds signed legislation Monday banning nearly all abortions in South Dakota, parts deleted
"In the history of the world, the true test of a civilization is how well people treat the most vulnerable and most helpless in their society. The sponsors and supporters of this bill believe that abortion is wrong because unborn children are the most vulnerable and most helpless persons in our society. I agree with them," Rounds said in the statement.
The governor declined all media requests for interviews Monday.
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/06/sd.abortionban.ap/index.html |
I can make a similarly flawed series of deductions, such as Gov. Mike Rounds does above (see bold), to "prove" or assert a completely irrational case (I will show the existence of a "perfect chair," insert God here instead, if you like):
Assumption one: Perfection is by definition an amalgamation of all good things.
Assumption two: Existence is a good thing.
Conclusion: There exists therefore such thing as a perfect chair.
This was a flawed series of assumptions proposed by a nineteenth century philosopher or writer, but I forget who. If someone would provide the reference, I have set up the situation. (I fell asleep in this particular philosophy class often, although I was merely auditing the class with the professor's permission.) |
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