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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:10 am    Post subject: Building question: what the HELL are they doing? Reply with quote

This pic is taken from my apartment window:



As you can see, a new officetel is about to be built.

It makes a bloody noise sometimes and gets on my nerves, but it's necessary and I try not to let it bother me too much unless it wakes me up at some silly hour.

What annoys me most is the fact that nothing is being built and all the noise is in vain. The scene in the pic has been the state of affairs for 2 months now and these guys, assuming they're building an officetel and not just digging and hitting things for some other purpose, have progressed about as far as an asthmatic ant with some heavy shopping. I HATE things that don't make sense.

* people have told me that - due to the bally-bally mentality - the building will be done in no time. Ain't happening.

* look at the gentleman on the right above the metal things. He'd just finished hitting the metal things with a hammer. WHY? That's not gonna build you a nice officetel guys! The guys, all day long, seem to be welding these metal things too, scorching them all over and then moving them to another location. WHY? What's that intended to achieve? I'm genuinely curious - why are these builders walking around hitting, welding metal things all day when surely they should be putting one brick on top of another until they have a big, tall officetel?

WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE MORONS DOING?? Is it normal practise in Korea to spend months whacking things before building something?
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Njord



Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I really don't know anything about construction, but I have watched a few tall buildings go up over the years. Usually, the loudest part is when the drive metal into the ground to support the rest of the building. This doesn't look like much - just a huge amount of noise. Then the steel frame and outside walls tend to go up very fast. Finally, it takes forever to complete the inside since they need to do plumbing, interior walls, electricity, etc. But yeah, it isn't too great to live next to one of these projects.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the heck is an "officetel"?

Sounds like a brand name. Office with telephone? some old Brit term? Konglish? what?
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might find they spend a lot of time on the foundations and setting everything up but once they start erecting the tower blocks they'll shoot up in no time. Well that's how it was when they put up apartment buildings outside my old hagwon.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
What the heck is an "officetel"?

Sounds like a brand name. Office with telephone? some old Brit term? Konglish? what?


Dude you've been here how long? Smile

Near my place a whole lane was shut down for two years by "construction". They had the metal hoarding up, some kind of crane thing, even a little trailer for the workers to drink soju in. For two years I never saw a single human being working on the site. Best I could figure it out the construction had to do something with power lines. Suddenly one day they started making noise. There were people there. And it was all done in about 3 weeks. Weird.

And ever notice that massive apartment complex near the Gangnam Wal-Mart has been in construction for over two years?
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the first step, the step they're on, in your case, is digging the basement. All buildings in Korea have basements, you know, and building a building does not start by going up, but by going down. Thus they are setting long foundation poles into the ground. That would be the pile driver machine left of the man you were talking about. This makes the neighborhood permeating "DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN" sound/vibration. Once they plant a lot of poles that will be the outline of the building, they'll connect those poles with walls. Then they'll dig. You can't just dig first cause all the dirt would just fall in on the void. When that stage is done, you'll have a great view of the size and depth of the B1, B2, B3, and so on, and the sheer drop sides of the walls. Earth displacement truly is an amazing thing. Then they'll dump in a sh*t load of cement. Then, they'll wire and frame that all in, and start moving up. I'd say now is the noisiest time, but don't quote me on that.

An officetel is a small (very small) studio apartment that non-clastrophobic types live in to be close to their work place or school.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HapKi wrote:
An officetel is a small (very small) studio apartment that non-clastrophobic types live in to be close to their work place or school.

Ah... a big city thing.

No wonder I haven't heard much about it in my three-plus years here on Geoje Island. Wink
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antoniothegreat



Joined: 28 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no no no, this is a perfect example of Korean mentality. someone decided to build something here. they made plans, but forgot to check something, get a permit, pay someone off, or just forgot they have to add bathrooms. so the building sight was started, but now they need to change things.
but Koreans are not allowed to no tlook busy, so the construction guys, wanting to keep their jobs, find something to do, like pound metal things, so it APPEARS something is actually happening.
then the big boss decided he wanted the bathroom away from his office, since bathrooms stink due to all the toilet paper sitting around that no one cleans up. plans change and they need to move these metal things because of the new bathroom.
so now construction guys move the big metal things and are happy they dont have to invent ways to look busy.
but then the big boss guy is told by peon "Samsung Alpha 6" who is in charge of plumbing, that the city piping wont work and the bathrooms need to be moved back.
again, construction guys move piping.
Finally, big boss guy learns from Peon "Kim I will kiss your rear for a promotion" that the bribe paid to City Permit Peon wont go through because his secretary got mad at him grabbing her rear and stole it.
Now big boss guy has to pay another bribe to avoid installing proper safety measures, but he is running out of money. what does he do? of course he takes out his boys for some soju at the business club to figure things out.
meanwhile, construction peons continue to find ways to look busy....

I figured you guys would have figured out what is going on here, it isnt too complex...
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kangnam mafioso



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i feel your pain, spinoza. i lived in 3 apartments during my 2 years in korea and like clockwork, not long after moving in, a perfectly good building directly next door to each apartment was demolished and a new project would go up for the duration of my stay there. they don't call it land of the morning jackhammer for nothing.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
What the heck is an "officetel"?

Sounds like a brand name. Office with telephone? some old Brit term? Konglish? what?


I'm with Mindmetoo here, VI. I'm flabbergasted you don't know what an ���ǽ��� (sp?) is. Yes, Konglish I would imagine. Some people live in 'em, some use them as offices.

HapKi wrote:
I think the first step, the step they're on, in your case, is digging the basement. All buildings in Korea have basements, you know, and building a building does not start by going up, but by going down. Thus they are setting long foundation poles into the ground. That would be the pile driver machine left of the man you were talking about. This makes the neighborhood permeating "DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN" sound/vibration. Once they plant a lot of poles that will be the outline of the building, they'll connect those poles with walls. Then they'll dig. You can't just dig first cause all the dirt would just fall in on the void. When that stage is done, you'll have a great view of the size and depth of the B1, B2, B3, and so on, and the sheer drop sides of the walls. Earth displacement truly is an amazing thing. Then they'll dump in a sh*t load of cement. Then, they'll wire and frame that all in, and start moving up. I'd say now is the noisiest time, but don't quote me on that.

An officetel is a small (very small) studio apartment that non-clastrophobic types live in to be close to their work place or school.


Good explanation, thanks. But you've not said why they're whacking the metal things with hammers and scorching them. What the hell's that all about? Just looks like sheer pointlessness to me, and pointlessness + noise = irritated SPIN !

My officetel rooms aren't that small, btw, and it's not particularly near my school. Razz

antoniothegreat wrote:
no no no, this is a perfect example of Korean mentality. someone decided to build something here. they made plans, but forgot to check something, get a permit, pay someone off, or just forgot they have to add bathrooms. so the building sight was started, but now they need to change things.
but Koreans are not allowed to no tlook busy, so the construction guys, wanting to keep their jobs, find something to do, like pound metal things, so it APPEARS something is actually happening.
then the big boss decided he wanted the bathroom away from his office, since bathrooms stink due to all the toilet paper sitting around that no one cleans up. plans change and they need to move these metal things because of the new bathroom.
so now construction guys move the big metal things and are happy they dont have to invent ways to look busy.
but then the big boss guy is told by peon "Samsung Alpha 6" who is in charge of plumbing, that the city piping wont work and the bathrooms need to be moved back.
again, construction guys move piping.
Finally, big boss guy learns from Peon "Kim I will kiss your rear for a promotion" that the bribe paid to City Permit Peon wont go through because his secretary got mad at him grabbing her rear and stole it.
Now big boss guy has to pay another bribe to avoid installing proper safety measures, but he is running out of money. what does he do? of course he takes out his boys for some soju at the business club to figure things out.
meanwhile, construction peons continue to find ways to look busy....

I figured you guys would have figured out what is going on here, it isnt too complex...


HAHA! Very Happy

Cool post!

kangnam mafioso wrote:
i feel your pain, spinoza. i lived in 3 apartments during my 2 years in korea and like clockwork, not long after moving in, a perfectly good building directly next door to each apartment was demolished and a new project would go up for the duration of my stay there. they don't call it land of the morning jackhammer for nothing.


Holy sheet! Shocked

Never heard "they don't call it land of the morning jackhammer" before but it's certainly true round these parts. It's a shame because it's the only thing wrong with my location. It rules otherwise. I guess that's a violation of the cosmic law "you can't have everything" so God decided it'd be an awfully good idea if SPIN had some irritation in his scandalously cushy life, the CHURCH OF SLACK.
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cypher



Joined: 08 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: Building question: what the HELL are they doing? Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:

I try not to let it bother me too much unless it wakes me up at some silly hour.


Why is it that so little gets done on time, let alone early, at my hagwon, but when there's a jackhammer involved...? One of the mysteries of Korea that I will never figure out.
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SPINOZA



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very worrying is the fact that (so a K-friend who's in real estate tells me) it's the law here to build and make an appalling noise from sunrise to sunset.....so in summer it's gonna be "DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN" (thanks, HapKi, btw, for that immitation - very accurate!) from 5am to 10pm. Anyone experienced this?

HEAVEN KNOWS what it must be like for people who work nights and sleep during the day! Shocked

Dreadful shower.
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think they are allowed to be noisy until 8 or 9 in the morning. I lived next to a constrution site. before they could start building they had to remove a hill first. they did that with the small excavators with the hydraulic jack hammers. so every morning at 8:00 i could hear DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN. I tell you that isn't nice when you are hung over.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
I don't think they are allowed to be noisy until 8 or 9 in the morning. I lived next to a constrution site. before they could start building they had to remove a hill first. they did that with the small excavators with the hydraulic jack hammers. so every morning at 8:00 i could hear DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN. I tell you that isn't nice when you are hung over.


EXACTLY!

On Friday night/Saturday morning, I got home from Itaewon at 7am. Cue the DUN DUN DUN at 8am! Oh dear. Actually it wasn't that bad that day but I fear the future.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:
Very worrying is the fact that (so a K-friend who's in real estate tells me) it's the law here to build and make an appalling noise from sunrise to sunset.....so in summer it's gonna be "DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN" (thanks, HapKi, btw, for that immitation - very accurate!) from 5am to 10pm. Anyone experienced this?

HEAVEN KNOWS what it must be like for people who work nights and sleep during the day! Shocked

Dreadful shower.


They're not allowed to start the jackhammer until 8am. If they do, report them. can't remember the stop time, but I think its 6pm, not 10. get yourself some earplugs to wear around the house.
Typically you'll notice they start on the dot, on the stroke of 8am- no time must be lost!
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