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[paperbag princess]

the war on drugs is a load of crap, based primarily on racial/socio-economic superiority. throughout the history of america, as long as rich, white dudes were enjoying any particular drug (opium, cocaine, marijuana), it was considered to be an acceptable, and even at time "gentlemanly" behaviour. only when the lower classes have acess to a drug, is it then considered to be a dirty habit.

i've just finished reading a really interesting book called, "cocaine: the unauthorised biography" by dominic streatfield. he draws some very interesting anaylisis of the war of drugs, media, science and ofcourse politics. he is not overtly pro-drug, so before any of you right-wingers start calling it hippie b-s, i suggest you go buy the book and read it.

the age old debate, why are some drugs legal and others are not. alcohol has been proven time and time again, to be really bad for us, yet it is still legal in most countries.

remember in the 80s when news shows were featuring stories on crack babies, those babies were infact feutal-alcohol syndrome babies, yet crack is still illegal. i'm not saying crack is good for you either. i would touch it with a 10-foot pole, however one must ask why it is illegal when alcohol does more damage.

[Satori]

[vox]

[Hollywoodaction]

Well, the way I see it, if you dig deep enough, you'll find that pretty much everything we consume can be found to have some harmful side affects to our health (toothpaste because it contains fluoride, soda because the cans are aluminium, etc).

[paperbag princess]

speaking of this, 60minutes is running the "prince of pot" right now. he's a bit crazy, but seems ok.

here's the link if you want to read about it:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/

obviously, this is a biased site, but the 60 minutes script is on there.

[Satori]

Dearest vox, a note about references. It`s good that we are now refering to articles, and not just blowing hot anecdotal air. However, not all references are of the same calibre, nor carry the same weigth in debate.

Your link about the sperm was not a link to an actual study but to a page in an online men`s magazine. It refers to a study, but there is very little way for us to verify this study or know anything about how professionally it was administered and processed. You also left out the most important part of the article

[the eye]

[khyber]

I see pot as something that CAN exploit people's weeknesses. I HAVE SEEN people skid out from smokin' pot: not even too much...just from smokin'. I have also seen Chronics works 14hrs a day for weeks at a stretch. Don't kid yourself into thinking that pot users are all braindead losers: They are all over the map (as MY anecdotal evidence claims). Why don't you accept my anedoctal evidence as enough of a claim?

http://www.substanceabusepolicy.com/content/1/1/2THAT is an ACTUAL study done by scientists in a lab. I can only hope that, perhaps this study will shed some light on your opinion of your friends.

RE: where is the evidence for my "hunting stoned" claim.
It is as anedoctal as yours. MANY of my work compatriots did it. They didn't like drinking until the hunting day was done..then they got slammed. But while they were out in the bush, they were stoned the whole time.....said it calmed their nerves....

[Satori]

Nice link to a GENUINE AND VERIFYABLE STUDY kyber. I particularly liked this part...

[vox]

[quote="Satori"]Nice link to a GENUINE AND VERIFYABLE STUDY kyber. I particularly liked this part...
[quote]

the question is can you pronounce it...

Satori,

When you were in pimp school, did they teach you that going on the offensive was a sufficient technique to preserve a double-standard? You have no place protesting my use of a dubious herb-pushing article while simultaneously pasting a dubious weed-pushing article. I am heart-broken that you failed to see the sweet irony of my botanical reciprocity. You see the splinter in my eye but you have failed to see the log in your own. And I thought for sure anything that looked like a big spliff you would definitely have noticed. -sniff-

This is the kind of study I think you are groping for, but seem unable to produce. Why didn't you talk about any of the other links?

Oh I forgot. Because you have an addiction for an agenda.

[vox]

double post

[vox]

[endo]

[the eye]

Endo.....

Where are you from? You mention 'Hell's Angels' country. Are you from northeastern Ontario, or Quebec?
Also, you reiterate the age old question of, 'why does alcohol remain legal and pot does not?'.

Perhaps someone here can offer some opinion on that? Vox?

Consider all the social problems that alcohol presents:
-impaired driving
-violent behavior
-addiction
-withdrawal symptoms (nausea, shakes, sweating, anxiety)
-liver disease
-liver failure
-fetal alcohol syndrome
-diabetes
-obesity
-depression

http://store.health.org/catalog/facts.aspx?topic=3
Statistics

Almost half of Americans aged 12 or older reported being current drinkers of alcohol in the 2001 survey (48.3 percent). This translates to an estimated 109 million people. Both the rate of alcohol use and the number of drinkers increased from 2000, when 104 million, or 46.6 percent, of people aged 12 or older reported drinking in the past 30 days.

Approximately one fifth (20.5 percent) of persons aged 12 or older participated in binge drinking at least once in the 30 days prior to the survey. Although the number of current drinkers increased between 2000 and 2001, the number of those reporting binge drinking did not change significantly.

Heavy drinking was reported by 5.7 percent of the population aged 12 or older, or 12.9 million people. These 2001 estimates are similar to the 2000 estimates.

The prevalence of current alcohol use in 2001 increased with increasing age for youths, from 2.6 percent at age 12 to a peak of 67.5 percent for persons 21 years old. Unlike prevalence patterns observed for cigarettes and illicit drugs, current alcohol use remained steady among older age groups. For people aged 21 to 25 and those aged 26 to 34, the rates of current alcohol use in 2001 were 64.3 and 59.9 percent, respectively. The prevalence of alcohol use was slightly lower for persons in their 40s. Past month drinking was reported by 45.6 percent of respondents aged 60 to 64, and 33.0 percent of persons 65 or older (Figure 3.1).

The highest prevalence of both binge and heavy drinking in 2001 was for young adults aged 18 to 25, with the peak rate occurring at age 21. The rate of binge drinking was 38.7 percent for young adults and 48.2 percent at age 21. Heavy alcohol use was reported by 13.6 percent of persons aged 18 to 25, and by 17.8 percent of persons aged 21. Binge and heavy alcohol use rates decreased faster with increasing age than did rates of past month alcohol use. While 55.2 percent of the population aged 45 to 49 in 2001 were current drinkers, 19.1 percent of persons within this age range binge drank and 5.4 percent drank heavily (Figure 3.1). Binge and heavy drinking were relatively rare among people aged 65 or older, with reported rates of 5.8 and 1.4 percent, respectively.

Among youths aged 12 to 17, an estimated 17.3 percent used alcohol in the month prior to the survey interview. This rate was higher than the rate of youth alcohol use reported in 2000 (16.4 percent). Of all youths, 10.6 percent were binge drinkers, and 2.5 percent were heavy drinkers. These are roughly the same percentages as those reported in 2000 (10.4 and 2.6 percent, respectively).

[SPINOZA]