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resa



Joined: 26 May 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: New job...going spectacularly wrong Reply with quote

Company (non-English speaking, non-education).
For children of employees
Christian
They treat me like I'm a Korean woman.
Spiritual manipulation - trying to make me go to their services on Sundays instead of attending my own church. Trying to make me spend time with them on my holidays because I need "Christian fellowship." When told I would have to work 6-7 days a week for an undetermined length of time, I was obviously surprised. When I objected, I got the line, "Some of us don't see it as work. We see it as ministry."

They are paying me a lot of money. But it's just not worth it.

There's so much more. I worked at a hagwon for 14 months before starting this job, so hagwons I can handle. But this...whatever it is, I cannot. But I'm afraid it's going to be ugly if I try to get out of the contract. Not to mention the fact that I get freaked out by how manipulative it is here - from the Christian music playing throughout the entire building before work, at lunch, and at the end of the day. I'm a Christian, went to a Christian college, have a theology degree, and, generally love God. But this place even freaks me out. They have even told me which versio nof the Bible I should use. It's a little too "Agree with us or we'll make you drink some of our red kool-aid" you know?

The job is nothing like what they said it would be. The answer is obvious...get out of it. I've been working here less than a month and I'm miserable. Should I give it more time? Honestly though, it's big stuff. It's stuff big enough to negate the whole "give it more time" line. I just don't know. Any advice?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you have two options:

#1. Get out asap.

#2. When life hands you a lemon, write an expose. There are a number of cults here. Might make fascinating reading. However, I'd turn down any green Kool-Ade.


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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really answered your own question there in that post. Definitely get out of there.

Did you get your ARC yet? If not, then your visa should be expiring within the next couple of months- ( the actual visa is only for 3 months, and the ARC extends it) if that's the case, then take the money and wait for the visa to expire from a nice beach somewhere in Thailand.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well have you tried praying about it? Razz

No, seriously, you have to find an escape plan. How badly do you want to stay in Korea? If not that badly I would make plans to disappear. The place sounds cultish - you're perfectly justified in pulling a midnight run.

If you want to stay in Korea it's all a matter of doing whatever it takes to get the letter of release. I have no idea how to attempt doing so with such a strange-sounding organisation. Perhaps you could act in such a 'non-Christian' manner that they want to fire you, and then you could say that's fine so long as they take you immigration with an LOR and cancel your visa.

I wouldn't attempt trying to work things out for the better.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Well have you tried praying about it? Razz

No, seriously, you have to find an escape plan. How badly do you want to stay in Korea? If not that badly I would make plans to disappear. The place sounds cultish - you're perfectly justified in pulling a midnight run.

If you want to stay in Korea it's all a matter of doing whatever it takes to get the letter of release. I have no idea how to attempt doing so with such a strange-sounding organisation. Perhaps you could act in such a 'non-Christian' manner that they want to fire you, and then you could say that's fine so long as they take you immigration with an LOR and cancel your visa.

I wouldn't attempt trying to work things out for the better.


Ya, you've only been there a bit and they are pulling that kind of stuff. Shocked Don't stick around, do anything you can to get out and (I can't believe I am going to say this) pull a runner if you have to. That place actually sounds somewhat dangerous to be honest.
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Otus



Joined: 09 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ethically, when I have had to endure those situations without getting paid much money, it's been terrible. When I've been well reimbursed, I factor any unpleasantness into the compensation. It's not that different from working for a New York law firm.
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:

Did you get your ARC yet? If not, then your visa should be expiring within the next couple of months- ( the actual visa is only for 3 months, and the ARC extends it)


that's not true at all..

your visa is stamped in your passport and it does not expire if you don't have an ARC card. the two are not related.
the visa is for one year as indicated in your passport. the three month date you saw, refers to the amount of time that the visa remains valid before you actually enter the country.

to the OP:
why don't you one up the cult members by going over the top. freak THEM out.


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The Chewbacca Defense



Joined: 29 May 2004
Location: The ROK and a hard place

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

just write 666 on the nape of your neck and wait for them to discover it.
That'll make them leave you alone!!!

That and get a Rottweiler!




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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otus wrote:
Ethically, when I have had to endure those situations without getting paid much money, it's been terrible. When I've been well reimbursed, I factor any unpleasantness into the compensation. It's not that different from working for a New York law firm.


While Tom Cruise met up with some bad lawyers, generally, lawyers aren't too scary. Cultish Christians on the other hand... Get out of there OP.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the eye wrote:
peppermint wrote:

Did you get your ARC yet? If not, then your visa should be expiring within the next couple of months- ( the actual visa is only for 3 months, and the ARC extends it)


that's not true at all..

your visa is stamped in your passport and it does not expire if you don't have an ARC card. the two are not related.
the visa is for one year as indicated in your passport. the three month date you saw, refers to the amount of time that the visa remains valid before you actually enter the country.


I just double checked in my passport. the Expiry date is exactly 3 months after the issue date. A stamp was added when I got my ARC, that appears to extend the visa.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: New job...going spectacularly wrong Reply with quote

resa wrote:
... I'm a Christian, went to a Christian college, have a theology degree, and, generally love God. But this place even freaks me out. They have even told me which versio nof the Bible I should use. It's a little too "Agree with us or we'll make you drink some of our red kool-aid" you know?

Oh, do I ever know. That is, I know exactly that type of Korean you're talking about and I thank God (not a pun) that I've never had to deal with them in any position of authority over me beyond two landlords. And like you, though to a far lesser degree in my case, it is ironic that the one group I have grown to become most wary of, most on my guard around in this country are Christians. By no means all of them, but way way too many of them and rarely the others. Annoying and ironic.

Oh yeah, my advice is "run". Get whatever nastiness is involved out of the way at once. Don't delay the inevitable.
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Otus



Joined: 09 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any employer who pays well is not thoroughly exploiting the employee. The most common thing with working for any cult is that you find if they don't deprive their adherents of renumeration at first, they soon will, and then some.

Some Korean Hagwon owners do the same thing. Strange lesson for me in Korea: money talks loudest. When an employer has been slow to pay along with any other pay issues, there have always been many other problems. When I have been paid well and on time, most of the other problems do not arise. Despite promises, assurances, and so-called 'friendships', after the fact, reliable payment has always been the yardstick from which all else could be measured. The second anything changed with that, I learned to walk away fast.

Anyway, sorry OP - if you're really miserable, then get out. Just remember, there is a lot worse.
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:

I just double checked in my passport. the Expiry date is exactly 3 months after the issue date. A stamp was added when I got my ARC, that appears to extend the visa.


all is not as it appears, peppermint.

the expiry date that notes three months after the issue date denotes hoe long you have to actually ENTER Korea.
i've been through this argument before. only it was with immigration as i was trying to find a loophole to get out of a bad school a while back.
it's no loophole.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My former boss was incredibly manipulative. Last I heard of him, he had become a preacher.
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dbee



Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them that you've converted to Islam ...

That might be worth it - just to see the look on their faces Razz
Plus they'd probably fire you straight away ... and then you could sue them for religious discrimination. Razz Razz
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