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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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 Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Joyful girl put it best....
...now get your panties out of that huge knot that is filling your brain with constipation...  |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| They are british. Its only you who is an anti-immigrant racist *beep*. |
Right, so one can be British, while having no loyalty to the country or respect for its cultural norms, and little or no ability to speak English. It all makes sense, to a PC idiot like yourself.
By the way, you would look a lot more credible if you didn't resort to throwing around meaningless accusations of racism, which is a belief in the inherent superiority of one race over another. Please show where I have demonstrated this. |
My apology. Perhaps xenophobe is a better term. Next time I will be more accurate.
1. How do you expect immigrants to have great grasp of the language? Just because they may not have a great grasp of the language doesnt make them disloyal.
2. Are you saying that immigrants are not loyal to their new country? Are you saying most immigrants have no respect for cultural norms? Please show me some tangible numbers. I know better than to take the word of an anti-immigrant xenophobe as gospel on this one. Stop painting millions of people with the same brush and stop basing your xenophobic views on the actions of a small, though loud minority. You come off looking like an uneducated redneck. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps xenophobe is a better term. |
Small minded fear of foreigners? No. Just a belief that nationality is slightly more than possession of a travel document, which is your absurd position. I could qualify for an Irish passport, and if I lived there for a few years, gain Irish nationality, yet I would never consider myself Irish, and neither would most native born Irish.
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| 1. How do you expect immigrants to have great grasp of the language? Just because they may not have a great grasp of the language doesnt make them disloyal. |
By learning it, as most do. Please learn to read. I never said that not being able to speak the language made people disloyal, nor did I even say that most immigrants did not speak English. I merely said that some people who have British passports cannot speak English, and are disloyal. I did not posit any correlation between the two.
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| Are you saying that immigrants are not loyal to their new country? |
Some are, some aren't. Why is this so hard to understand?
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| Are you saying most immigrants have no respect for cultural norms? |
Some do, some don't. Some 40% of Muslims in the UK want Shariah Law for parts of Britain. Hardly respectful of cultural norms now is it?
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| Stop painting millions of people with the same brush and stop basing your xenophobic views on the actions of a small, though loud minority. You come off looking like an uneducated redneck. |
I didn't paint millions of people with the same brush. Let me make this clear. I know plenty of Black and Asian second generation immigrants, who are just as British as me. However, simply being in possession of a passport does not make you British, or any other nationality. Many immigrants speak perfect English, are loyal to their adopted nation and try their best to integrate. Plenty do not.
I was merely disputing your benchmark for nationality, which seems to be the possession of a travel document. This is nonsense, because, according to your logic, it is quite possible to not speak the language of a country, have no historical ties to a country, owe no loyalty to a country, and have little respect for its culture, and still be considered Canadian or British, simply because you have met the very low benchmark for obtaining a passport. |
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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Where's Axl Rose to sing 'one in a million'....?.....why can't i find the post when drunk thread... 
...ah sweet editing... 
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
I was merely disputing your benchmark for nationality, which seems to be the possession of a travel document. This is nonsense, because, according to your logic, it is quite possible to not speak the language of a country, have no historical ties to a country, owe no loyalty to a country, and have little respect for its culture, and still be considered Canadian or British, simply because you have met the very low benchmark for obtaining a passport. |
What? MY benchmark? I'm sorry, but this is YOUR COUNTRY's benchmark. Your country, my country, America, etc all have this basic benchmark. And no it is not the posession of a travel document. The travel document becomes available because one is legally a citizen of a country. So it goes beyond just the mere posession of a passport. It goes to posession of citizenship, which a passport merely symbolizes. A person who is a citizen, be that 5th generation or 1st generation or an actual immigrant, IS A BRIT, a Canadian, an American, etc. This is not my benchmark. It is a legal one.
What you are doing is basically spitting on your country's laws as well as millions of citizens from your country. Why? Because they werent born there? What is your agenda? Talk about disrespecting your country's values. Isnt this basically what you accuse immigrants of doing? |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| In my experience, Russians speak and write English very well. |
Well I read about a study in which Chinese and native English speakers took the TOEFL test. Quess what, the Chinese test takers outperformed the native speakers on the grammar sections. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| I was merely disputing your benchmark for nationality, which seems to be the possession of a travel document. This is nonsense, because, according to your logic, it is quite possible to not speak the language of a country, have no historical ties to a country, owe no loyalty to a country, and have little respect for its culture, and still be considered Canadian or British, simply because you have met the very low benchmark for obtaining a passport. |
Yeah and considering that you can buy yourself permanent residency in Canada or the United States and then eventually gain citizenship, having a passport does not mean a whole lot. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Or you could have had my experience. I applied for a job and the owner told me I did not sound like an American. His reply was very strange since I never left the U.S. or Canada until I was 20 years old. My parents were also born in the United States. |
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