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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: Re: question |
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| I have gotten myself into one of these situations. I signed a contract with the hagwon and then another one with the school (wouldn't have done this except that the second one was better than the first) and immigration only has the one from the school. Other people who are in these programs -did you sign 2 contracts or one and if you signed 2, then which one is in immigration? Can I use this fact to argue against things I don't like in the contract with the hagwon? |
It sounds like you are working illegally. You can work for 2 or more public schools (with the agreement of your principal) but to work for a public school and a hakwon you need your ARC card stamped with the second location. |
Um you ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS need a stamp on your ARC for ANY additional workplace whatsoever. Be that hagwon, public school, or whatever. If you are on an E2. |
No. If you are working for Gyenoggi-Do you can work at multiple public schools without a stamp. I know this, because at the orientation we were told this by an official of the Education Dept. Even with an E-2. If you don't believe simply ask any other person who went to the orientation and who works for a public school. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: Re: question |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| iluv2fly1 wrote: |
| I have gotten myself into one of these situations. I signed a contract with the hagwon and then another one with the school (wouldn't have done this except that the second one was better than the first) and immigration only has the one from the school. Other people who are in these programs -did you sign 2 contracts or one and if you signed 2, then which one is in immigration? Can I use this fact to argue against things I don't like in the contract with the hagwon? |
It sounds like you are working illegally. You can work for 2 or more public schools (with the agreement of your principal) but to work for a public school and a hakwon you need your ARC card stamped with the second location. |
Um you ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS need a stamp on your ARC for ANY additional workplace whatsoever. Be that hagwon, public school, or whatever. If you are on an E2. |
No. If you are working for Gyenoggi-Do you can work at multiple public schools without a stamp. I know this, because at the orientation we were told this by an official of the Education Dept. Even with an E-2. If you don't believe simply ask any other person who went to the orientation and who works for a public school. |
It's not a provincial thing. An official from the Education Department couldn't find his arse with both hands. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I signed a contract with the hagwon and then another one with the school (wouldn't have done this except that the second one was better than the first) and immigration only has the one from the school. Other people who are in these programs -did you sign 2 contracts or one and if you signed 2, then which one is in immigration? Can I use this fact to argue against things I don't like in the contract with the hagwon? |
This is not the same situation as is in the topic.
From above I think you have signed with a hakwon but found a better school job so signed a contract with them? Then the visa was issued from that school job? Are you worried that first job will be applying for your visa even though you now have one? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: question |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| iluv2fly1 wrote: |
| I have gotten myself into one of these situations. I signed a contract with the hagwon and then another one with the school (wouldn't have done this except that the second one was better than the first) and immigration only has the one from the school. Other people who are in these programs -did you sign 2 contracts or one and if you signed 2, then which one is in immigration? Can I use this fact to argue against things I don't like in the contract with the hagwon? |
It sounds like you are working illegally. You can work for 2 or more public schools (with the agreement of your principal) but to work for a public school and a hakwon you need your ARC card stamped with the second location. |
Um you ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS need a stamp on your ARC for ANY additional workplace whatsoever. Be that hagwon, public school, or whatever. If you are on an E2. |
No. If you are working for Gyenoggi-Do you can work at multiple public schools without a stamp. I know this, because at the orientation we were told this by an official of the Education Dept. Even with an E-2. If you don't believe simply ask any other person who went to the orientation and who works for a public school. |
I doubt it. If I ask them they will repeat what they were told. And I highly suspect what they were told is a lie. But why dont you call up immigration and ask. They may want your ARC number but then again you are safe because some Education Office official, obviously well versed in immigration law, (even though the Minsitry of Education and Immigration have nothing to do with each other as immi fall under the M o Justice) said so.
The rule is that if its not on your ARC you are screwed. Its always been like that. Unless gyeongido paid off immigration. |
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iluv2fly1
Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| No this is exactly the same as the other program where you work after school in a public school, but you are paid through the hagwon, double bank account etc. The only thing I haven't heard is for others what the contract in immigration says. Does it say you will be getting x # million won per month or does it say that you are getting a percentage of the tuition (as the amount that is coming into your tuition account). Does the contract in immigration mention the hagwon or only the school. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: question |
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| jinju wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| iluv2fly1 wrote: |
| I have gotten myself into one of these situations. I signed a contract with the hagwon and then another one with the school (wouldn't have done this except that the second one was better than the first) and immigration only has the one from the school. Other people who are in these programs -did you sign 2 contracts or one and if you signed 2, then which one is in immigration? Can I use this fact to argue against things I don't like in the contract with the hagwon? |
It sounds like you are working illegally. You can work for 2 or more public schools (with the agreement of your principal) but to work for a public school and a hakwon you need your ARC card stamped with the second location. |
Um you ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS need a stamp on your ARC for ANY additional workplace whatsoever. Be that hagwon, public school, or whatever. If you are on an E2. |
No. If you are working for Gyenoggi-Do you can work at multiple public schools without a stamp. I know this, because at the orientation we were told this by an official of the Education Dept. Even with an E-2. If you don't believe simply ask any other person who went to the orientation and who works for a public school. |
I doubt it. If I ask them they will repeat what they were told. And I highly suspect what they were told is a lie. But why dont you call up immigration and ask. They may want your ARC number but then again you are safe because some Education Office official, obviously well versed in immigration law, (even though the Minsitry of Education and Immigration have nothing to do with each other as immi fall under the M o Justice) said so.
The rule is that if its not on your ARC you are screwed. Its always been like that. Unless gyeongido paid off immigration. |
No, if you are in the program you are working for the province, not the school. Gyeonggi-Do is your employer, not the school. As such you can work in multiple locations as long as it is under the auspices of Gyenoggi-Do. There was a thread about this, not so long ago where it was explained about this. If the school hires you DIRECTLY on the other hand, then yes you need a stamp on your ARC. As for the orientation, there was an Immigration official there to give advice on the ins and outs of Korean immigration and he apparently had no problem with what they were saying.
This is a new program with new rules. Period. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: question |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| iluv2fly1 wrote: |
| I have gotten myself into one of these situations. I signed a contract with the hagwon and then another one with the school (wouldn't have done this except that the second one was better than the first) and immigration only has the one from the school. Other people who are in these programs -did you sign 2 contracts or one and if you signed 2, then which one is in immigration? Can I use this fact to argue against things I don't like in the contract with the hagwon? |
It sounds like you are working illegally. You can work for 2 or more public schools (with the agreement of your principal) but to work for a public school and a hakwon you need your ARC card stamped with the second location. |
Um you ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS need a stamp on your ARC for ANY additional workplace whatsoever. Be that hagwon, public school, or whatever. If you are on an E2. |
No. If you are working for Gyenoggi-Do you can work at multiple public schools without a stamp. I know this, because at the orientation we were told this by an official of the Education Dept. Even with an E-2. If you don't believe simply ask any other person who went to the orientation and who works for a public school. |
I doubt it. If I ask them they will repeat what they were told. And I highly suspect what they were told is a lie. But why dont you call up immigration and ask. They may want your ARC number but then again you are safe because some Education Office official, obviously well versed in immigration law, (even though the Minsitry of Education and Immigration have nothing to do with each other as immi fall under the M o Justice) said so.
The rule is that if its not on your ARC you are screwed. Its always been like that. Unless gyeongido paid off immigration. |
No, if you are in the program you are working for the province, not the school. Gyeonggi-Do is your employer, not the school. As such you can work in multiple locations as long as it is under the auspices of Gyenoggi-Do. There was a thread about this, not so long ago where it was explained about this. If the school hires you DIRECTLY on the other hand, then yes you need a stamp on your ARC. As for the orientation, there was an Immigration official there to give advice on the ins and outs of Korean immigration and he apparently had no problem with what they were saying.
This is a new program with new rules. Period. |
So if you sign with YBM you can work for any YBM hagwon? Pure baloney. I guess someone was paid off though. Thank God I dont work for Gyeongi-do |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| The contract if immigration gets one will probably be filed away somewhere and forgotten about. Put it this way: Have you ever had your file pulled when visitting immigration? No eh? So where do these bits of paper go? |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Put it this way: Have you ever had your file pulled when visitting immigration? |
Yup. I have. And let me tell you, it was pretty thick! I couldn't see what all the paper was for, but at the time I had only been here for under 2 years.
Oh well. They do keep all of the stuff in files, you probably just haven't seen yours.
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