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Optional Toaster

Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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I really don't understand just getting a quick certificate. To get a TESOL certification (where you can actually teach in the U.S.) requires a minimum of 21 credit hours along with a Praxis II if you already have a teaching degree. Somehow I think that the TESOL certificate that you can get in virtually no time shouldn't qualify or be necessary. I really think that a hagwon that employs a teacher with a bachelor's degree (aside from an education degree) should train their teachers.
I'm currently getting my master's in education and the more I learn the more I realize how little I know. I really have to respect the people who've gone to Korea with a bachelors and have become really great teachers. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Optional Toaster wrote: |
I really think that a hagwon that employs a teacher with a bachelor's degree (aside from an education degree) should train their teachers.
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Are you CRAZY? I don't think I can write a small enough number to show the possiblitly of that happening  |
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Karabeara
Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Location: The right public school beats a university/unikwon job any day!
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I saw far fewer jobs requring any sort of TESL certification this time around. It seems to me that many people are catching on to the fact that 90% of the TESL's out there are a joke (perhaps higher).
My friends hired at uni's in Seoul didn't need them. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Since when has CELTA been superior to TESOL? |
CELTA cannot be gotten through a mail rder or online course wheres TESOL/TEFL certificates can therefore it is generally regarded as a more professional qualification. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Since when has CELTA been superior to TESOL? |
CELTA cannot be gotten through a mail rder or online course wheres TESOL/TEFL certificates can therefore it is generally regarded as a more professional qualification. |
I think you are both misunderstanding eachother. I think xingyiman means the Trinity TESOL certificate, which has almost the same standing as the CELTA (CELTA is just a bit more popular, due to good advertising). But the CELTA is by far superior to any internet or mail order certificate! |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: whatever
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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a lot of tesl/tesol courses tell their students that they are required certificates to teach in Korea, Japan, Taiwan etc. A lot of people that don't have degress take these courses thinking that they can teach on it alone.
Furthering your education always has value; whether it's a tesl course or whatever. However, I highly doubt that they will start denying experienced teachers without a tesl. I almost have two years experience in public schools now in Korea, I highly doubt that I'm not going to be able to teach here next year because I don't have a certificate. What is the tesl certificate going to teach me about my work in Korea that I don't already know? |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
a lot of tesl/tesol courses tell their students that they are required certificates to teach in Korea, Japan, Taiwan etc. A lot of people that don't have degress take these courses thinking that they can teach on it alone.
Furthering your education always has value; whether it's a tesl course or whatever. However, I highly doubt that they will start denying experienced teachers without a tesl. I almost have two years experience in public schools now in Korea, I highly doubt that I'm not going to be able to teach here next year because I don't have a certificate. What is the tesl certificate going to teach me about my work in Korea that I don't already know? |
I agree that 1) you will have no problem as it won't be necessary and 2) experience is much more important (I think you were getting to that). I disagree though that the tesl certificate won't teach you anything. That is a little arrogant (though I know you didn't mean it like that). I taught 2 years in Japan before my CELTA, and I am still very glad I took it and continuously use what I learned while doing it. Helped me break some bad old habits and get some new ones. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Helped me break some bad old habits and get some new ones. |
Some new bad habits? |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Helped me break some bad old habits and get some new ones. |
Some new bad habits? |
Well, ya, my bosses were starting to see my old ones, so I had to find new ones to make them think I still know what I'm doing
Nope, meant "get some new good ones." |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: whatever
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Oh, I in no way meant that getting a good tesl/tesol/celta certificate won't teach you anything. I just tend to write things on here rather quickly so I usually don't fully explain myself. I had an amazing co-teacher at my first school here (and I mean really amazing!) and I learned tons from her. I don't want to do an online quicky tesl certificate. If I was going to do one then I would take the time to do a proper certificate. However, I think that after this year I will do my one year education program back in Canada.
Experience is very important but, obviously, furthering your education towards the field you're working in is also incredibly important. I think it's important to realize that; no matter how much teaching experience you have and how much education you have in the field, you can never know it all. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
Oh, I in no way meant that getting a good tesl/tesol/celta certificate won't teach you anything. I just tend to write things on here rather quickly so I usually don't fully explain myself. I had an amazing co-teacher at my first school here (and I mean really amazing!) and I learned tons from her. I don't want to do an online quicky tesl certificate. If I was going to do one then I would take the time to do a proper certificate. However, I think that after this year I will do my one year education program back in Canada.
Experience is very important but, obviously, furthering your education towards the field you're working in is also incredibly important. I think it's important to realize that; no matter how much teaching experience you have and how much education you have in the field, you can never know it all. |
I 100% agree. And as you can see from my little error in my last post that schwa pointed out, I write too fast too
I am planning on getting my Education degree too after saving a bit of money. I defintely think that is a better option than any certificate! |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:11 am Post subject: |
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I was just teasing.
Aside from the learning benefits, where a tesol/tefl/celta can pay off here is for someone headed into a public school job with graded pay levels. If it kicks you up into a higher bracket, it more than pays for itself. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
I was just teasing.
Aside from the learning benefits, where a tesol/tefl/celta can pay off here is for someone headed into a public school job with graded pay levels. If it kicks you up into a higher bracket, it more than pays for itself. |
No worries, I laughed at it.
As for your point, you're right. Gets me an extra 200000 a month (which adds up quickly). |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: whatever
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| haha. I've thought about doing a quickie one just because my school has told me that I would get bumped from 2.0 to 2.2. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: TESOL cert now required to teach in korea |
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Anybody know? Is a CELTA acceptable instead of a TESOL? (It is the superior qualification, after all).
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Since when has CELTA been superior to TESOL?  |
Since he took it. I hear the same mumbojumbo from some guy at the office who seems to think his month long CELTA certificate makes him more of an expert in ESL than my 2 years of grad school in TESOL. |
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